Txiki Begiristain

[Neville Kneville]

Fantastic window. Very much concentrated on building a team rather than papering over cracks, so some of it won't be seen at full efficiency this season. But this window has lifted the club to another level imo, even if some have no idea it's happened.


I love it when you read through a page or so of this thread & there are always one or two desperate to pretend there's a reason to have a go at him due to personal dislike. Agenda as obvious as a Sun journo talking City.

Of course Txiki's biggest signing & the best to arrive in this window, is the best the club has ever made, one he gets little mention for, even though he is 100% responsible: Pep Guardiola.

 

[Marvin]

Begiristain's best window since he joined the club, and arguably the club's best window since the take over. The proof of the pudding will be in the eating over the next five years.

My feeling too. We have spent a lot of money but bought extremely well. We have taken a squad that was ageing, and in need of overhaul, and transformed it.

I may change my view when I see Jesus, Sane, Gundogan and Bravo play. At the moment it is just expectation, but consider where we are now, and those 4 and Kompany haven't even pulled on the shirt yet. Very exciting!

This Summer we have ensured, as much as anyone can, that MCFC are going to be extremely strong for the next 5 years

 

[BillyShears]

My feeling too. We have spent a lot of money but bought extremely well. We have taken a squad that was ageing, and in need of overhaul, and transformed it.

I may change my view when I see Jesus, Sane, Gundogan and Bravo play. At the moment it is just expectation, but consider where we are now, and those 4 and Kompany haven't even pulled on the shirt yet. Very exciting!

This Summer we have ensured, as much as anyone can, that MCFC are going to be extremely strong for the next 5 years

It's also worth nothing that although we've spent a lot of money (212 million euros) - we've brought in 9 first team players. Works out at around 23 million euros per players.

 

[Yaya_Tony]

Big day for him today.

We can't continue to have a DOF only doing half his job. Something is not completely right, whether it's our strategy in transferring players in and out, our wage structure, bad negotiators, bad relations with player managers, I don't know.

If Benteke can go for 30 mill after being rejected by his manager, then Bony should at least get 20 mill. Sakho offered high teens from memory, and he's worse than Mangala.

He's got today to fix it.

Fix what, wum??

15 goals in 5 competitive games before September, best manager in the world and some decent signings, in addition to our old players picking up a gear. What's to fix??

 

[Blue Mooner]

Big day for him today.

We can't continue to have a DOF only doing half his job. Something is not completely right, whether it's our strategy in transferring players in and out, our wage structure, bad negotiators, bad relations with player managers, I don't know.

If Benteke can go for 30 mill after being rejected by his manager, then Bony should at least get 20 mill. Sakho offered high teens from memory, and he's worse than Mangala.

He's got today to fix it.

He can't make clubs want to buy our players. After the character assassination of our own players by our own fans is it any wonder that clubs want to steer clear. In addition, we're not helped by the media. Joe Hart lauded by the press for years and the moment that we look like we want to get rid we see articles about his poor shot stopping percentage and weakness down his left side. We are hindered at every turn by the rag loving media.

 

[taleofbluehalves]

He can't make clubs want to buy our players. After the character assassination of our own players by our own fans is it any wonder that clubs want to steer clear. In addition, we're not helped by the media. Joe Hart lauded by the press for years and the moment that we look like we want to get rid we see articles about his poor shot stopping percentage and weakness down his left side. We are hindered at every turn by the rag loving media.

Years ago clubs would be falling over themselves to sign cast offs from Liverpool, Arsenal and Utd. I still think we could get a good return on Bony.

 

[goalmole]

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He can't make clubs want to buy our players. After the character assassination of our own players by our own fans is it any wonder that clubs want to steer clear. In addition, we're not helped by the media. Joe Hart lauded by the press for years and the moment that we look like we want to get rid we see articles about his poor shot stopping percentage and weakness down his left side. We are hindered at every turn by the rag loving media.

I don't think the fact that Pep didn't fancy the England No1 goalkeeper was going to pass without comment. People were always going to mention his weaknesses. There's not a lot to complain about in that regard. Joe had a good run out of it. Nothing lasts for ever and I not sure clubs hand over millions of pounds on the back of what they read in the papers.

 

[ws01]

Fix what, wum??

15 goals in 5 competitive games before September, best manager in the world and some decent signings, in addition to our old players picking up a gear. What's to fix??

He can't make clubs want to buy our players. After the character assassination of our own players by our own fans is it any wonder that clubs want to steer clear. In addition, we're not helped by the media. Joe Hart lauded by the press for years and the moment that we look like we want to get rid we see articles about his poor shot stopping percentage and weakness down his left side. We are hindered at every turn by the rag loving media.

I'm more concerned about his strategy. It seems to have been sign everyone first, then start getting rid of the excess. That signals to the market that we're overstocked and therefore pretty desperate to sell, where then clubs toy with us. Add to that leaving it so late naturally leaves less clubs in the hunt, with money having dried up and squad numbers being firmer.

Wages may be a problem, most likely are a problem. I'm fine with stumping up big wages for real class like Silva or Aguero, you have to. It just seems we're paying far to much for middling, run of the mill talent. Our wages shouldn't need to be over the market with the manager we now have and the position the club is in.

Nobody can tell me that Joe Hart isn't worth at least what Bravo is, given he's 3-4 years younger and English - yet the best we can do is ship him off to Italy on loan. Ditto Nasri, Bony, Mangala. These are players that were well proven before they even came to us. I can't think of a club that has to resort to loaning out so many long established first team players like we do. Something's not right there.

I do think he's done a good job in getting the players in, albeit at not much more or less than market rate. He's pretty swift and efficient in that regard. He has also previously done well with the sales of Javi Garcia, Rodwell, and Negredo, when we thought he couldn't.

Not sure what's exactly gone wrong this time.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

He can't make clubs want to buy our players. After the character assassination of our own players by our own fans is it any wonder that clubs want to steer clear. In addition, we're not helped by the media. Joe Hart lauded by the press for years and the moment that we look like we want to get rid we see articles about his poor shot stopping percentage and weakness down his left side. We are hindered at every turn by the rag loving media.

You think top class managers use the Sun to decide if they should buy a player!?
They were on Joe Harts case before anyone knew he wasn't going to play because he was this years England failure scrapegoat probably rightly so as he was terrible

Back to my original point though clubs and managers dont but players because papers dont like them

 

[Rolee]

I'm more concerned about his strategy. It seems to have been sign everyone first, then start getting rid of the excess. That signals to the market that we're overstocked and therefore pretty desperate to sell, where then clubs toy with us. Add to that leaving it so late naturally leaves less clubs in the hunt, with money having dried up and squad numbers being firmer.

Wages may be a problem, most likely are a problem. I'm fine with stumping up big wages for real class like Silva or Aguero, you have to. It just seems we're paying far to much for middling, run of the mill talent. Our wages shouldn't need to be over the market with the manager we now have and the position the club is in.

Nobody can tell me that Joe Hart isn't worth at least what Bravo is, given he's 3-4 years younger and English - yet the best we can do is ship him off to Italy on loan. Ditto Nasri, Bony, Mangala. These are players that were well proven before they even came to us. I can't think of a club that has to resort to loaning out so many long established first team players like we do. Something's not right there.

I do think he's done a good job in getting the players in, albeit at not much more or less than market rate. He's pretty swift and efficient in that regard. He has also previously done well with the sales of Javi Garcia, Rodwell, and Negredo, when we thought he couldn't.

Not sure what's exactly gone wrong this time.

So what should the strategy be then? Negotiate all summer long to get the best prices we can for our unwanted players and then go pursuing who we want?

Like I mentioned to someone else yesterday, we were operating like this, subsidising wages for players we send on loan, well before Txiki arrived.