Txiki Begiristain

I'm more concerned about his strategy. It seems to have been sign everyone first, then start getting rid of the excess. That signals to the market that we're overstocked and therefore pretty desperate to sell, where then clubs toy with us. Add to that leaving it so late naturally leaves less clubs in the hunt, with money having dried up and squad numbers being firmer.

Wages may be a problem, most likely are a problem. I'm fine with stumping up big wages for real class like Silva or Aguero, you have to. It just seems we're paying far to much for middling, run of the mill talent. Our wages shouldn't need to be over the market with the manager we now have and the position the club is in.

Nobody can tell me that Joe Hart isn't worth at least what Bravo is, given he's 3-4 years younger and English - yet the best we can do is ship him off to Italy on loan. Ditto Nasri, Bony, Mangala. These are players that were well proven before they even came to us. I can't think of a club that has to resort to loaning out so many long established first team players like we do. Something's not right there.

I do think he's done a good job in getting the players in, albeit at not much more or less than market rate. He's pretty swift and efficient in that regard. He has also previously done well with the sales of Javi Garcia, Rodwell, and Negredo, when we thought he couldn't.

Not sure what's exactly gone wrong this time.



The trouble is all of those players mentioned have all got something to prove be it fitness, form or a mixture of both apart from maybe Hart, its no surprise that teams are not fighting over the likes of Wilf who had a season to forget last year due to various reasons. Think Txiki has performed very well so far in a mad changing football landscape, btw the scum can't shift the pig herder the dippers have been harking Balo about for a bag of sweets so we are from being alone.
 
ws01 Im not sure how you expect our DOF to force teams in to buying players we dont need
Nasri is on big wages and literally been going backwards for 2 years
Mangala is fairly shit and we would be lucky to get 15 million for him
Bony was never worth what we paid so would say cut your losses

But the biggest problem with these players is that nobody wants them. Yes Palace bought Benteke for £30 million but they wanted him so paid. They dont want Bony so wont give us 15p let alone 15million
You cant sell people nobody wants. These loan deals work out alright sometimes I think Dzeko was about £7 million for the first season on loan at Roma although they bought him outright in end
 
I'm more concerned about his strategy. It seems to have been sign everyone first, then start getting rid of the excess. That signals to the market that we're overstocked and therefore pretty desperate to sell, where then clubs toy with us. Add to that leaving it so late naturally leaves less clubs in the hunt, with money having dried up and squad numbers being firmer.

Wages may be a problem, most likely are a problem. I'm fine with stumping up big wages for real class like Silva or Aguero, you have to. It just seems we're paying far to much for middling, run of the mill talent. Our wages shouldn't need to be over the market with the manager we now have and the position the club is in.

Nobody can tell me that Joe Hart isn't worth at least what Bravo is, given he's 3-4 years younger and English - yet the best we can do is ship him off to Italy on loan. Ditto Nasri, Bony, Mangala. These are players that were well proven before they even came to us. I can't think of a club that has to resort to loaning out so many long established first team players like we do. Something's not right there.

I do think he's done a good job in getting the players in, albeit at not much more or less than market rate. He's pretty swift and efficient in that regard. He has also previously done well with the sales of Javi Garcia, Rodwell, and Negredo, when we thought he couldn't.

Not sure what's exactly gone wrong this time.
That's the way it has to be though. You can't win in that regard. If you have a clear out and then try to buy players the selling clubs have you over a barrel because they know you have positions to fill and if the signings don't come off your squad is short or you end up buying second choice players. The reason we have problems shifting players for decent prices is because of the wages we pay. Players won't, rightly, take pay cuts and clubs don't want to pay what we pay. I think Txixi gets too much unwarranted stick on here for things that are generally outside his control. I personally think we are very lucky to have the Spanish contingent running our club for us.
 
ws01 Im not sure how you expect our DOF to force teams in to buying players we dont need
Nasri is on big wages and literally been going backwards for 2 years
Mangala is fairly shit and we would be lucky to get 15 million for him
Bony was never worth what we paid so would say cut your losses

But the biggest problem with these players is that nobody wants them. Yes Palace bought Benteke for £30 million but they wanted him so paid. They dont want Bony so wont give us 15p let alone 15million
You cant sell people nobody wants. These loan deals work out alright sometimes I think Dzeko was about £7 million for the first season on loan at Roma although they bought him outright in end
Pelle has devalued the stock of the players greatly.
 
So, looking like:

Players Out
--Sales and senior players:
Jovetic 13m (in Jan)
Dzeko 7m
Rulli 6m
Fofana 3.8m
Lejeune 1.2m
Hart Loan
Mangala Loan
Nasri Loan
Bony Loan
----------
Moreno Loan
Zinchenko Loan
Denayer Loan
=32m

Player In
Stones 47.5m
Sane 37m
Jesus 28m (in Jan)
Gundogan 20m
Bravo 13.8m
Nolito 13.8m
Moreno 4.7m
Rulli 4m
Zinchenko 1.7m
=170.5m

Can't complain about the players brought in. Should hope so really given that we've apparently not spent much time trying to sell players. I wouldn't blame Txiki for the wages of Hart and Nasri but he's the one who decided upon the wages of Mangala and Bony. Just hope we've already got a good deal with China agreed for Bony next year
 
I'm more concerned about his strategy. It seems to have been sign everyone first, then start getting rid of the excess. That signals to the market that we're overstocked and therefore pretty desperate to sell, where then clubs toy with us. Add to that leaving it so late naturally leaves less clubs in the hunt, with money having dried up and squad numbers being firmer.

Wages may be a problem, most likely are a problem. I'm fine with stumping up big wages for real class like Silva or Aguero, you have to. It just seems we're paying far to much for middling, run of the mill talent. Our wages shouldn't need to be over the market with the manager we now have and the position the club is in.

Nobody can tell me that Joe Hart isn't worth at least what Bravo is, given he's 3-4 years younger and English - yet the best we can do is ship him off to Italy on loan. Ditto Nasri, Bony, Mangala. These are players that were well proven before they even came to us. I can't think of a club that has to resort to loaning out so many long established first team players like we do. Something's not right there.

I do think he's done a good job in getting the players in, albeit at not much more or less than market rate. He's pretty swift and efficient in that regard. He has also previously done well with the sales of Javi Garcia, Rodwell, and Negredo, when we thought he couldn't.

Not sure what's exactly gone wrong this time.
On the other hand, he's being prepared before losing out. You're a glass half empty chap aren't you.
 
Yet Nasri had his best season at the club under Pellegrini, odd that.
Not many of them have boosted their value recently though have they? Nasri playing well 2 or 3 years ago probably doesn't mean a great deal when we are trying to offload him this summer. The reality is lots of our players looked like they had regressed in the last 18 months to 2 years under Pellegrini, there's no getting away from that and it would be ridiculous to think that doesn't hamper attempts to get decent deals for outgoing players.
 
Not many of them have boosted their value recently though have they? Nasri playing well 2 or 3 years ago probably doesn't mean a great deal when we are trying to offload him this summer. The reality is lots of our players looked like they had regressed in the last 18 to 2 years months under Pellegrini, there's no getting away from that and it would be ridiculous to think that doesn't hamper attempts to get decent deals for outgoing players.

I thought Nasri looked quite good when fit last season, didn't you?
 
I'm more concerned about his strategy. It seems to have been sign everyone first, then start getting rid of the excess. That signals to the market that we're overstocked and therefore pretty desperate to sell, where then clubs toy with us. Add to that leaving it so late naturally leaves less clubs in the hunt, with money having dried up and squad numbers being firmer.

Wages may be a problem, most likely are a problem. I'm fine with stumping up big wages for real class like Silva or Aguero, you have to. It just seems we're paying far to much for middling, run of the mill talent. Our wages shouldn't need to be over the market with the manager we now have and the position the club is in.

Nobody can tell me that Joe Hart isn't worth at least what Bravo is, given he's 3-4 years younger and English - yet the best we can do is ship him off to Italy on loan. Ditto Nasri, Bony, Mangala. These are players that were well proven before they even came to us. I can't think of a club that has to resort to loaning out so many long established first team players like we do. Something's not right there.

I do think he's done a good job in getting the players in, albeit at not much more or less than market rate. He's pretty swift and efficient in that regard. He has also previously done well with the sales of Javi Garcia, Rodwell, and Negredo, when we thought he couldn't.

Not sure what's exactly gone wrong this time.


Well of course you should worry about whatever floats your boat, but for me, I would suggest that as a fan rather than an MCFC executive you are looking at things from the wrong end of the telescope.

We fans should be, IMO, mostly (totally) concerned about the players available to our manager to win the PL this year and far less (hardly at all IMO) obsessing about the departing staff apart from if one of 2 situations are occurring:

1/ that we are unable to sign incoming players before we shift existing players off the wage bill. Lots of clubs have this constraint but it has clearly not been an hindrance to us - we have had a tremendous window with regard to getting players in.

2/ That some other policy - perhaps financial management by Soriano - of the club means that Txiki, has to work within a certain budget ceiling meaning that he has had to choose 'lesser' players then his 1st choices - again this seems to have not been a problem - we may not have gone full tilt for Pogba, but I think that is by choice. Pep is getting the players he wants for the long term development and 'harmony' of the club rather than fixing short-term problems and making 'statements' like the scum have - all seems like great strategic management by Pep and Txiki

Also, I would say that - as a selfish CITY fan looking at this from a fan's perspective - I want the majority (all) of the DOF's attention to be on getting the right players in and not being distracted by touting players out. We are just so fucking lucky (IMO) that we have the owner and management that have delivered in this way - having completed securing the players Pep wanted, Txiki is now able to focus on getting players out having first done what we fans should be concerned about - even if, by being late in the window, it means that we have to carry e.g. YaYa's contract through to the end.

I mention YaYa specifically because he is a player that I do not see featuring for City and we have to take the financial hit and are just lucky that we can - on the other hand with Bony, I probably do not see him featuring but I can see circumstances where he might have value as a squad player - injuries and suspensions.

As I say - you need to worry about what works for you - but I personally can think of situations in the transfer window that have would have worried me a lot more - I think that we only have reasons to be cheerful
 
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