UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[Delboy352]

What I find ironic is that journalists (and I use that term very loosely) frequently spout off about us on Sky. The same Sky that was haemorrhaging millions a day in its early days, but was kept afloat by its owner Rupert Murdoch, the same Rupert Murdoch that of course owns News Corp which owns The Times, Sunday Times and The Sun (and once owned of course The News of the World).

 

[razman]

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

How much did Yaya cost us?
Don’t see him on any of those lists or am I blind.
What s steal he was. And Vinny and Silva.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

How much did Yaya cost us?
Don’t see him on any of those lists or am I blind.
What s steal he was. And Vinny and Silva.

The TotalMoney site has him at £27M, with the inflated number at around £56M.

https://www.totallymoney.com/content/transfer-index/data/

Use the Filter option "To" and select City.

It's not quite complete though - no Glauber Berti.

 

[Kinkys Left Foot]

Why are they asking Sterling or any player for that matter about FFP allegations?

You don't see them asking shelf stackers in Tesco what they think amount the financial implications of a potential takeover of Waitrose do you.

This is the standard reply I would expect from either. "Yeah I know stuff is going on but it doesn't concern me, I have full confidence in the owners and management they'll do whats best for me and the company"

 

[King KdB of Belgium]

Should UEFA try and ban us from the Champions League, we will I have no doubt about it, that we will take this straight to CAS. This is the body which has the say on all sporting matters.

However if I was in charge of dealing with UEFA from City's point of view, I would be issuing the governing body of UEFA a summons for data theft. There is no way that they can say that they have not stolen any of our data, because they have used that same data that was stolen to find us guilty of breaching the FFP code of conduct. Therefore we are looking for damages in the sum off £250 million. Then I would go after Der Speigel and go for the exact same sum of £250 million damages for the good name of our club. Shoul dthis bankrupt Der Speigel so be it.

 

[Kinkys Left Foot]

All rather too simplistic im afraid Mr Belgium - you don't seem to understand the precis of the case.
Uefa don't have the data - they got their information from Der Spiegel
Der Spiegel whilst having access to the material through Football Leaks don't own it and claim German press privileges for acting solely as a whistleblower (reporting the info)

I doubt either would be actionable in a civil court.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

All rather too simplistic im afraid Mr Belgium - you don't seem to understand the precis of the case.
Uefa don't have the data - they got their information from Der Spiegel
Der Spiegel whilst having access to the material through Football Leaks don't own it and claim German press privileges for acting solely as a whistleblower (reporting the info)

I doubt either would be actionable in a civil court.

Do we have access to the data or are City just going off what UEFA say they’ve been told by Der Spiegel, who have been shown the data.

All very third or 4th hand if this is the case.
Very flimsy if it ever did get to a court of law. Isn’t evidence collect supposed to be made available to both parties.

 

[Fallingbostel Blue]

All rather too simplistic im afraid Mr Belgium - you don't seem to understand the precis of the case.
Uefa don't have the data - they got their information from Der Spiegel
Der Spiegel whilst having access to the material through Football Leaks don't own it and claim German press privileges for acting solely as a whistleblower (reporting the info)

I doubt either would be actionable in a civil court.

What happens to this evidence if Rui Pinto gets found guilty of extortion in a court of law? Is it still admissable or will it get destroyed? Am I right in thinking if he has received any cash for this information then he is not given "Whistleblower Status". The constant in this is that our Image and Reputation has been tarnised even if we are not convicted.

 

[Kinkys Left Foot]

Do we have access to the data or are City just going off what UEFA say they’ve been told by Der Spiegel, who have been shown the data.

All very third or 4th hand if this is the case.
Very flimsy if it ever did get to a court of law. Isn’t evidence collect supposed to be made available to both parties.

Regarding access, Its difficult to say without any details of the investigation. I wrote a post only yesterday making exactly those considerations.
Indeed in a criminal court case all evidence should be submitted for examination by defendants counsel prior to trial and visa versa (except in unusual or exceptional cases at the judges discretion)
I suggest it goes similar what I stated in an earlier post where I made ref to something Tolmie wrote.
Mark Goddards iterations are interesting (see page 167 of this thread) in respect of the likely investigative process employed by Uefa investigators and I think it doesn't take a great leap for normal folk to read the Der Spiegel allegations and formulate the necessary questions to put to City.

Mark Goddard was in charge of Fofa's Transfer Matching system database in 201,and was involved in many investigations into clubs, says cleaning up the game justifies using evidence wherever it can be found.

Tolmie extract
He says Uefa should do the same in investigating Manchester City over FFFP matters.

Goddard reveals: "We knew he (Pinto) was getting primary source material, and having verified the quality and veracity of those documents, we were thinking "Jesus, this helps us".

"Any particular information (in the leaks) that would help us in pursuing a particular line of inquiry, we would use that to build a picture, and build a case. (We were saying to the clubs) it's not like we don't trust you, we're just requiring you to prove what you've got. "

Goddard attempts to cover his arse by insisting Fifa would not start disciplinary proceedings based on Leaks documents alone (yeah, right) "But we would ready the documents and think "Wow, and then go and ask a question. We could ask did you guys do blah blah blah and blah?, and they'd sit there ... Going "Holy shit, how did you know how to ask that? (we said) it's didn't matter how we knew how to ask that. Just answer the question."

Goddard is now an independent consultant and pushed for changes at Uefa to force all clubs to make public all aspects of transfers.