UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%

  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%

  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%
  • Total voters
    1,499
Status
Not open for further replies.
mrbelfry said:
In defence of the media the issue isn't just that we take money from Abu Dhabi but that we are owned by Abu Dhabi. Sponsorship deals from Emirates etc aren't the same as the clubs are not 'state owned' but we are. It's a subtle difference but for the media a crucial one . We see them the same but the media want to make the distinction
Click to expand...
The only subtle difference is that one is true and the other isn’t.
 
mrbelfry said:
In defence of the media the issue isn't just that we take money from Abu Dhabi but that we are owned by Abu Dhabi. Sponsorship deals from Emirates etc aren't the same as the clubs are not 'state owned' but we are. It's a subtle difference but for the media a crucial one . We see them the same but the media want to make the distinction
Click to expand...
It shouldn't be.
Emirates group is a subsidiary of the Investment Corporation of Dubaï. The latter can be seen as a sovereign wealth fund of Dubaï in the UAE. It is clearly related to the government and is using sports to gather a better image. Why is it Emirates sponsor one of the biggest brands in any big league : Real Madrid, Arsenal, AC Milan, PSG (until this year), Hamburg, Benfica ? To associate with the value of those brands and do what they call "sport washing".

How is it different than the sovereign fund of Qatar (QIA with QSI subsidiary) investing in PSG, Barcelona (Qatar Foundation, Qatar Airways), Roma (Qatar Airways) ? The reason and the goal is the same. Being an owner only change the scale of the investment.

I have never seen anyone contest the Emirates sponsorship on ethical grounds, even for PSG. What people don't like is that when the same entities own clubs, they are able to invest way more than their favorite clubs and they suddenly feel it is unethical.
 
Neville Kneville said:
The issue for the media is we keep finishing above Utd & Liverpool.

If we didn't, they wouldn't give a flying fuck.
Click to expand...
You've nailed it pal. For instance, Sheff United are 50% owned by a Saudi Prince & businessman but as they are not (currently) a threat to the above mentioned clubs they are not on the journos radar - funny that.
 
Parisian said:
Can only been taken seriously if they apply those ethics to everyone. Meaning you go after any contract (not only ownership but sponsorship too) coming from those who are involved in "sport washing". That includes UAE and Qatar monarchies but also a lot of other actors. They should also ask for a ban on those kit manufacturers that are doing slave and child labour but aren't being called out.
I'm all for ethics if they are not used for an hidden agenda, here stopping a rival from being too competitive.
Click to expand...

These charlatan's exploit huge geo-political problems in order to score cheap clicks without a second thought. They no more care about migrant workers in middle East as we all do about T-shirts made in Bangladesh, trainers in Vietnam, the shite in processed foods, or the Chinese technology we all use to spout our daily bollocks on here. That's how hard it is to unravel from daily life.
But imagine having such low self esteem that you think its alright to use all that human misery to further a second rate media "career" by point scoring over a football club? All to ingratiate yourself with the dribbling sky masses. Despicable ****s they are. Do as I say, not as I do has always been a particular English middle class disease.
 
The only way you can maintain that City is state owned is by adhering to the conspiracy theory that Mansour is just a front and that UAE is the real owner. The problem with this is that there is no evidence for it whatsoever. Due diligence at the time of the takeover would have called for incontrovertible evidence of ownership. The legal and accountancy firms will have been required to sign DTI documents certifying the ownership. Were they all fooled or lying? The front theory was promulgated by a convicted fraudster named Boyrhul. He was one of the "city slickers" from the Mirror, who was convicted of insider trading. He now runs a "yellow sheet" (of very dubious veracity) in the Emirates. Since ADUG is the parent of CFG, they would have to be fooling the authorities of at least seven countries..
Altho' Mansour is spending 'dirty oil money', it comes from his royalties not from the state. Besides, apart from one technical adjustment, he has not funded City for several years.
And why is oil money 'dirty'? Nope, a vital commodity.
I have seen in the Grauniad a statement that Mansour is a member of the AD government, citing his title of 'deputy prime minister'. This is a courtesy title, bound up with the arab concept of 'face', given who he is. He does not sit on the Executive Council, which is AD's governing body. He is, however, the Chairman of the Horse racing board !
 
KS55 said:
The only way you can maintain that City is state owned is by adhering to the conspiracy theory that Mansour is just a front and that UAE is the real owner. The problem with this is that there is no evidence for it whatsoever. Due diligence at the time of the takeover would have called for incontrovertible evidence of ownership. The legal and accountancy firms will have been required to sign DTI documents certifying the ownership. Were they all fooled or lying? The front theory was promulgated by a convicted fraudster named Boyrhul. He was one of the "city slickers" from the Mirror, who was convicted of insider trading. He now runs a "yellow sheet" (of very dubious veracity) in the Emirates. Since ADUG is the parent of CFG, they would have to be fooling the authorities of at least seven countries..
Altho' Mansour is spending 'dirty oil money', it comes from his royalties not from the state. Besides, apart from one technical adjustment, he has not funded City for several years.
And why is oil money 'dirty'? Nope, a vital commodity.
I have seen in the Grauniad a statement that Mansour is a member of the AD government, citing his title of 'deputy prime minister'. This is a courtesy title, bound up with the arab concept of 'face', given who he is. He does not sit on the Executive Council, which is AD's governing body. He is, however, the Chairman of the Horse racing board !
Click to expand...

Someone that's actually done research, kudos.
 
mrbelfry said:
In defence of the media the issue isn't just that we take money from Abu Dhabi but that we are owned by Abu Dhabi. Sponsorship deals from Emirates etc aren't the same as the clubs are not 'state owned' but we are. It's a subtle difference but for the media a crucial one . We see them the same but the media want to make the distinction
Click to expand...

And here we have living proof of repeat a lie often enough, the lie becomes the accepted truth.

No subtle difference, no defence of the so called free press, is it is a ‘lie’, and the press are the liars, more or less all of them.

And the biggest joke is nearly every one of them work for organisations part or largely owned by the states they allegedly find abhorrent regarding human right abuses.

Are the payments they receive every month not tainted?
Will they stop working for these organisations? They should at least refuse the freebie all expenses paid trips to the World Cup in Qatar?

How many tweets and articles are based on the massive amount of arms and wars we as a country are involved in the whole of the Middle East?

Yes that’s right, barely fuck all in the whole of our press, all this outrage and indignation bullshit is based on the fact that the football clubs they follow are not the ones winning the cups/titles!!!

They are morally bankrupt shithouses of immense proportions and we should take every opportunity on social media, written media, broadcast media to confront the cùntz and highlight their utter fuckwit hypocrisy.
 
mrbelfry said:
In defence of the media the issue isn't just that we take money from Abu Dhabi but that we are owned by Abu Dhabi. Sponsorship deals from Emirates etc aren't the same as the clubs are not 'state owned' but we are. It's a subtle difference but for the media a crucial one . We see them the same but the media want to make the distinction
Click to expand...
We aren't owned by Abu Dhabi we are owned by ADUG(who own City group) which is a private investment company owned by Sheikh Mansour alone.

Even if they could make that distinction though, is it difference enough to ask one set of supporters to justify human rights issue in UAE over another who's club is "only" taking millions upon millions from there every year?
 
mrbelfry said:
In defence of the media the issue isn't just that we take money from Abu Dhabi but that we are owned by Abu Dhabi. Sponsorship deals from Emirates etc aren't the same as the clubs are not 'state owned' but we are. It's a subtle difference but for the media a crucial one . We see them the same but the media want to make the distinction
Click to expand...
FFS we are not state owned
 
If Prince Charles owned a football club and that football club was sponsored by the Royal Bank of Scotland, would they be state funded?
 
I have now read through 550+ pages of shite......all I want to know is , if they have concluded their investigation then when do they release the results?

NOT. Our sanction....just the results?
Surely the findings should be released now? They don't change?
 
northwichblue said:
No news is good news
Click to expand...
Then release to the world"..we looked and found eff all....no case to answer.
They ( UEFA) should be forced to make their findings public...........
That does not in anyway affect any sanction or compromise City or UEFA position?

They either found something or not........
Perhaps we should investigate HOW a major final ends up in Baku?
I am sure there will be no cause for concern......it is the obvious place to have it?
 
Metalartin said:
We aren't owned by Abu Dhabi we are owned by ADUG(who own City group) which is a private investment company owned by Sheikh Mansour alone.

Even if they could make that distinction though, is it difference enough to ask one set of supporters to justify human rights issue in UAE over another who's club is "only" taking millions upon millions from there every year?
Click to expand...

Just one point. Sheikh Mansour is the majority shareholder of ADUG but there are minority Chinese shareholders too. That alone should tell these fuckwit journos, rags, dippers, etc. that City are not owned by a country. Neither ADUG nor City have access to a sovereign wealth fund (which would be the very definition of state owned) and there wouldn't be shareholders from another country either.
 
Silvas' left eyebrow said:
I have now read through 550+ pages of shite......all I want to know is , if they have concluded their investigation then when do they release the results?

NOT. Our sanction....just the results?
Surely the findings should be released now? They don't change?
Click to expand...

When it was referred last week or whenever it was, I read that the next stage of the process could take months
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Unread Posts

Don't have an account? Register now and see fewer ads!

SIGN UP
Back
Top