UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%

  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%

  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%
  • Total voters
    1,499
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FrankSwift1 said:
After the events of the last few days I cant help but think that City have made a huge strategic error. Apparently we were offered a way out of this with a technical breach and small fine. (Similar to the Fifa case). By refusing to negotiate it seems we have pushed UEFA to go nuclear with us.

Even if the ban is overturned by Cas this doesnt clear us and its my understanding we have to carry the fight on in Swiss courts(?).

Even if we are eventually cleared which is far from certain the reputational damage of the ban and potential future case with UEFA is enormous. Pretty much the whole footballing world has heard Manchester City are cheats for the last few days and will narative will continue and wont stop even if we win the case. It will turn to, 'well what did you expect when they can buy the bsst lawyers'

Wouldn't it have been sensible to take the fine and carry on as normal. Who would care apart from Johny from Liverpool on twitter.

By taking this risk we have potentially affected our ability to compete for the next 3 4 years but also will forever be known as cheats. We can all argue with internet warriors till we are blue in the face but the label will surely affect out ability to attract commercial sponsorship and grow our fan base in the developing football markets such as India, China and the US.
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Were we offered a way out by UEFA? I've seen this mentioned only on here?
 
Parisian said:
I'm not suggesting anything.Just that UEFA doesn't have emails of the same nature listing how the payments will be made. These emails are the basis of their argument that you have been lying and not cooperating.
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Emails are not bank statements.

Writing something down doesn't mean it happens.

How can you and thousands of others not understand this simple fact?
 
badaz52 said:
I don't want to link anything here but you can find the leaks online if you look for them including the Der spiegel article, some pretty compelling stuff. In a nutshell, most of City's sponsors are either Government owned or Government backed. SM is part of that government and chairs many of them himself. In short whenever City have had a shortfall they have been able to siphon money from other companies and inject it into the club, intentionally circumventing UEFA FFP rules and changing dates to suit to make it look like they didn't have a deficit. They are guilty on a technicality and if you look carefully the Club aren't even denying their guilt they are just not happy about the process.
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Off you pop
 
badaz52 said:
I don't want to link anything here but you can find the leaks online if you look for them including the Der spiegel article, some pretty compelling stuff. In a nutshell, most of City's sponsors are either Government owned or Government backed. SM is part of that government and chairs many of them himself. In short whenever City have had a shortfall they have been able to siphon money from other companies and inject it into the club, intentionally circumventing UEFA FFP rules and changing dates to suit to make it look like they didn't have a deficit. They are guilty on a technicality and if you look carefully the Club aren't even denying their guilt they are just not happy about the process.
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Only 3 of City's sponsors are AD based 2 were accepted by auditors and UEFA as related parties and we agreed to certain conditions in the original settlement https://www.mancity.com/fans-and-community/club/partners/global

The club have irrefutable evidence of their innocence
 
moomba said:
The club have repeatedly said they have irrefutable evidence they haven't committed an offence.

Rightly or wrongly we most certainly are denying our guilt.
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"The Club has always anticipated the ultimate need to seek out an independent body and process to impartially consider the comprehensive body of irrefutable evidence in support of its position" what position do you think that could be? that they have made an honest mistake? that they feel it hasn't been a fair process? I don't see any denial of guilt in that statement.
 
badaz52 said:
"The Club has always anticipated the ultimate need to seek out an independent body and process to impartially consider the comprehensive body of irrefutable evidence in support of its position" what position do you think that could be? that they have made an honest mistake? that they feel it hasn't been a fair process? I don't see any denial of guilt in that statement.
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“In support of its position”
Obviously its position is that the club has done no wrong, hence the appeal.
It is a fairly clear denial of guilt, unless you are being deliberately obtuse.
 
badaz52 said:
"The Club has always anticipated the ultimate need to seek out an independent body and process to impartially consider the comprehensive body of irrefutable evidence in support of its position" what position do you think that could be? that they have made an honest mistake? that they feel it hasn't been a fair process? I don't see any denial of guilt in that statement.
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I don't see any acceptance of guilt
 
toffee balls said:
Off you pop
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I just think a lot of people on here have their heads in the clouds if they think it will be completely overturned. The evidence is there and UEFA have acted on it, doesn't matter how it was obtained or how unfair the process was. The best that City can hope for is a reduction in that sanction.
 
It's hard for us as fans at the moment, the club is part of our make up, however I am confident that although this is a painful time for all of us, we will come through stronger we are fighting a cartel who want the spoils all to themselves and there are going to be ups and downs, have faith that the club has this covered
 
badaz52 said:
I just think a lot of people on here have their heads in the clouds if they think it will be completely overturned. The evidence is there and UEFA have acted on it, doesn't matter how it was obtained or how unfair the process was. The best that City can hope for is a reduction in that sanction.
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Why is that the best we can hope for?
 
Academica said:
I don't see any acceptance of guilt
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There isn't any denial of guilt either is there, that's my point. Usually, a statement might read City refute these allegations and do not accept UEFA's findings etc.etc. but it doesn't and I find that interesting.
 
OrigamiNinja said:
Given the hacking scandal came to an abrupt end, based on us accepting the £1m, does anyone think a similar situation could arise here? What I mean is, it is clear that while maybe not agreeing with the premise of FFP, the club has, one way or another tried to abide by the rules. Is it likely that a court would throw out our case, based on us effectively accepting FFP when we took 'the pinch'?
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This is all that seriously worries me.

If we fail at the first hurdle with the proper procedure was not adhered to by UEFA angle.

My understanding is CAS will not accept additional irrefutable evidence from us at the appeal.

They will only review the evidence that was used by UEFA to convict us.

Maybe this is why UEFA would not accept irrefutable evidence by us,they knew full well it would prejudice their case at a CAS appeal.They knew we would appeal,so planned for this.

CAS could take the view we went along with FFP from the beginning,we signed up to it with UEFA.

Thus by default we agreed to all of UEFA contractual terms and conditions.

And now unfortunately we must reap what we actually helped sow.

Even so UEFA did move the goal posts with FFP to accommodate PSG,good lawyers will use this

We might be forced to eat a shit sandwich at the end of all this by CAS.

The sentence is so OTT though,even if we are not fully cleared at this stage of the game,i am sure CAS will try and work out a compromise.

We will tell them to fuck off with the 1 year ban.

And off to the legal Courts we go.

The legal Courts will be interested in our irrefutable evidence of our innocence.And ask UEFA why didn't you accept it to start with ?, had you accepted this evidence you would have had no choice but reach a different verdict.Also it would have been available to CAS at the appeal.

Whole thing stinks of a stitch up.

I am not holding out much hope for CAS.I see them pushing for compromise rather than aquital. I think that was why UEFA threw the proverbial kitchen Sink at us.They knew it would be halfed at CAS for being excessive.

I think our Club sees this going all the way to the Legal Courts.

Just my opinion.
 
badaz52 said:
There isn't any denial of guilt either is there, that's my point. Usually, a statement might read City refute these allegations and do not accept UEFA's findings etc.etc. but it doesn't and I find that interesting.
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Yes there is if you can be fucking arsed to take a look at our statements.

Another sleeper account with fuck all to say for years and shit like this erupts and nothing can keep you away!
 
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