UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

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  • Ban reduced to one year

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  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

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Yes. They can uphold the decision fully, reject it fully or uphold it in part but send it back to UEFA with a recommendation about the sanction or some other aspect.
Yes, In Milan case. The Court of Arbitration for Sport rules that:
...
3. The decision of the Adjudicatory Chamber of the UEFA Club Financial Control Body
rendered on 19 June 2018 establishing that AC Milan failed to fulfil the Break-Even
requirement is confirmed.
4. The decision of the Adjudicatory Chamber of the UEFA Club Financial Control Body
rendered on 19 June 2018 to exclude AC Milan from participating in the next UEFA
Club competition for which it would otherwise qualify in the next two (2) seasons (i.e.
the 2018/19 and 2019/20 seasons) is annulled
https://www.tas-cas.org/fileadmin/user_upload/Award_Final_5808.pdf
 
My boss’ masked slipped at work today. Talking about dodgy deals by arabs and they cant be trusted. No evidence or substance to the argument. Doesn’t seem the type, but thats what a media pushing “dirty arabs” agenda does.
Turns all half-baked football fans into city haters for the audacity of having a guy from UAE as an owner
Report him to HR and as he's being escorted out just whisper in his ear 'MCFC, OK?'
 
Yes, there's an odd contradiction at the heart of the matter. UEFA sources seem to be briefing their friendly journalists (Panja and the like) that they're confident of CAS upholding their position. Yet MCFC continue to maintain that the club has "irrefutable evidence" to back up its claims that there are no grounds for punishment. Logic dictates that one of these propositions must be wrong.

Now, I can't stress strongly enough that what follows in this post is absolute speculation. It's just my best guess at the kind of scenario which might give rise to the oddity described in the preceding paragraph.

If there's an element of subjectivity, then in the absence of further information I can only think that it must be around the definition of a "related party". Of course I could be completely wrong here and this is purely speculation on my part, but maybe City are continuing to maintain that the Abu Dhabi sponsors aren't related parties, while UEFA are claiming that they entered into a settlement agreement in which that proposition wasn't challenged in the absence of the newly information about Abu Dhabi state funding of our sponsorships that would have altered their view on that topic. It may (or may not) be that the settlement agreement contains provisions that allow UEFA to reopen matters if they consider themselves not to have been provided with all relevant information at the time, and they regard the information about AD state subsidy of the sponsorships as meeting that criterion.

Interestingly, Panja and his boss at the NYT were tweeting yesterday about the possibility of some kind of settlement, while Tony Evans tweeted an article he'd written (which I confess to not having read) that seemed to purport to urge the parties to get together and sort things out. These journalists have in the past relayed material ostensibly sourced by people who are connected with the case and certainly aren't in the MCFC camp. I wonder whether this might point towards UEFA hoping for a settlement before matters reach CAS.

In this hypothetical event, I'd actually be tempted as long as they'd agree to a suspended ban and reduced fine, together with a statement that any breaches were technical and entailed no intention to deceive UEFA. Even if our case is relatively strong, litigation and arbitration can always be a lottery to some extent and it's invariably better to avoid it if you can.

The prospect of the club's majority shareholder and our Abu Dhabi stakeholders accepting a settlement on the terms that I would is, in my uninformed view, negligible. Remember that UEFA have found us guilty of inflating sponsorships and, if that's true, it means the club's audited accounts are inaccurate. That's a big accusation to throw at a business, because it brings into question the honesty and good faith of those running it as well as of the auditors. For that reason, in my opinion only total exoneration is likely to be seen as acceptable in the UAE.

Interesting speculation and another plausible, in the circumstances, explanation.

Given Ferran's interview, I'm damn sure your final conclusion is correct.
 
Can’t help feeling there are racist undertones to all this, it’s because the Sheik is Arab, and it needs to be said at some stage. In any other walk of life accusers would have been called out by now, but somehow this is being skirted around by media. The club really can’t do anything more now, the fans have to be behind the club and players 100% and not let it be embarrassed further. City fans have a great sense of humour, keep it funny ....... tennis balls and whistles did seem brilliant though, half-time.
 
Impressive interview from the CEO, just a shame it's taken him so long to so long to speak publicly to the fans on any issue.

His and the club attitude from day one prove to me 100% that CAS will throw this insulting and devious ban into history and with it the futures of the people who forced it in the first place.
I think they've had to fine tooth comb what they could say, unlike UEFA who obviously said the first thing that popped into their heads.
 
Anyone in here who does not believe that there is a media agenda should fuck off to RAWK or that shite United forum.

There is irrefutable evidence that the media in this country have it in for us and have done ever since the takeover.

Any self respecting journalist would be looking at the big picture of this scenario being the political battle between UEFA and City. Instead, they only want to know the anti-City slant.

The funny thing is how anyone with half a brain cell can criticise City over that interview, call it biased and take UEFAs side. Yet on the other hand, 100% believe the UEFA investigation which was carried out by UEFA, tried by UEFA and the judgement came from UEFA who have provided NO public evidence for their judgement.

But then again people like Rob Harris and that Delaney chap are not proper journalists. They’re frauds, mouthpieces for certain clubs, pushing an agenda.

They are to journalism what Harold Shipman is to doctors, or Ryan Giggs to families.
 
Thats me on here lol

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Any club wishing to tackle the cartel head on both on and off the field will be met with this leftist attitude.

UEFA like Holden here in OZ are on borrowed time , in fact Holden is now gone as a brand after 160 odd years in operation and UEFA will follow suit with a much shorter history.

if its not City in part that will bring their demise its the next wave of clubs that will.

Money and principal are forces you cannot keep at bay to avoid your demise if you don't embrace change that is inevitable.

Clubs must rise or fall on the ability of their staff and stakeholders to do what is best for their supporters and themselves by striking the right balance.

UEFA have never had that charter and their time is nigh.
My biggest hope is that City fucking destroy UEFA in the court's, they're as bad as FIFA, rotten to the core.
Great interview by Ferran, thanks to him I feel much better now.
 
Under normal circumstances I imagine the time period can’t be re-opened, having previously been given the green light. Presumably - if UEFA can prove misrepresentation or fraud - it would be a different ball game.

If our owner did make good the sponsorship gap, as UEFA appear to maintain, they would argue that Etihad are actually a related party. That means sponsorship should have been tested under the market fairness rule and doubtless capped at a much lower amount. In such a case our operating losses would have been higher and hence in breach of FFP.

So the crux of the issue remains this: who made up Etihad’s shortfall? Was it the state government, in which case we are hopefully in the clear, or was it Sheikh Mansour/ADUG, in which case things might be tougher? That’s assuming all other things being equal, of course, including time bars and other technicalities.

In effect I think Conn is saying that, if we did get turned over on the above point, then our P & L would be impacted from 2016 onward. That would result in further financial breaches. (It would not fall offside of the 5-year rule.)

As a side issue, if we do win on this point, we’re effectively admitting to the court of football opinion that we are indeed oil state sponsored :-(
That's it in a nut shell and here is the bit that concerns me
Does the deal that all ills are covered by the agreement made in agreeing the 2014 settlement stop UEFA doing us for double jeopardy.
 
Anyone in here who does not believe that there is a media agenda should fuck off to RAWK or that shite United forum.

There is irrefutable evidence that the media in this country have it in for us and have done ever since the takeover.

Any self respecting journalist would be looking at the big picture of this scenario being the political battle between UEFA and City. Instead, they only want to know the anti-City slant.

The funny thing is how anyone with half a brain cell can criticise City over that interview, call it biased and take UEFAs side. Yet on the other hand, 100% believe the UEFA investigation which was carried out by UEFA, tried by UEFA and the judgement came from UEFA who have provided NO public evidence for their judgement.

But then again people like Rob Harris and that Delaney chap are not proper journalists. They’re frauds, mouthpieces for certain clubs, pushing an agenda.

They are to journalism what Harold Shipman is to doctors, or Ryan Giggs to families.

Not enough like buttons for this.
 
Great post and it pretty well reflects my own thinking.

At the risk of getting boring and without knowledge of the details of what exactly we're charged with, my opinion is that we should agree with UEFA that solely for the purposes of FFP Etihad are a related party although we and our auditors don't accept they are under IAS 24.

In return they will agree that their sponsorship represents fair value for the period under review and that the source of funds is therefore irrelevant. They'd found that hard to disagree with, with Leterme having seemingly signed off Qatar's PSG sponsorship at €100m. QED on that score.

That might not be the only issue they're looking at of course but one thing I'd kind of forgotten is that I believe all this relates to stuff we did in the 2012/13 financial year, when we thought we had a chance of escaping punishment under the provisions of Annex XI S2. So we were stuffing the accounts as much as we could , which I explained to George Hannah a couple of days ago was a bit cheeky but probably not technically illegal.

Had UEFA been consistent on how clubs needed to do the relevant calculations then we probably wouldn't have thought about doing that. But they weren't and gave us every encouragement to carry on down the path we did, bringing forward partnership remittances and getting costs off the City books where possible. Had UEFA introduced its rules on controlled funding earlier, we wouldn't have needed to do that.

So while it sounds a bit dramatic, it's possible we could put forward some sort of "entrapment" argument, that UEFA deliberately led us on, knowing full well they were going to change the rules to those that could have given us a much better chance of achieving a controlled break-even position.
Being devil’s advocate, how could the Etihad sponsorship be deemed fair market value with regard to an organisation lacking the resources to self-fund it? Maybe it would by comparison with P.S.G. but not by any sane, non-bent yardstick.
 
Harris yet again makes a fool of himself by being partisan on his Twitter feed. Does he think City will really do open interviews before the CAS case? Is he really that ignorant of the way the law works? Has he actually trained as a journalist? It is perfectly usual for big organisations to release sensitive statements on their websites. It happens every day, especially in the business world where sensitivity of financial markets is critical. He appears to be a total moron with no objectivity at all. I can't believe his bosses at AP are happy with his contributions. He is actually damaging his own employer's brand as much as City's.

Great to see City fans on Twitter shooting down this self-important twat. Slags us off in the Media and then still expects the red carpet treatment when he slimes his way up to the Etihad.
 
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