UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[waspish]

Good synopsis of the situation, as always, from Swiss Ramble on Twitter:

Fair and with no bias something majority of our media can’t do.

 

[citymike1969]

I binned off the Guardian podcast years ago, bunch of tossers apart from James Richardson & Tim (who’s name I forget) from Brazil

...it's Nicebutdim.

 

[Kenward Garg]

It’s a very backward way of thinking you’ve got going on tbf.

Your opinion and your entitled to it.

 

[Centurions]

Maybe not a fan but I think he is genuinely pro City in this contest. He also has contacts inside UEFA which no doubt need to be taken into account as the end game approaches.

Maybe it's just a consequence of the almost constant negative press we seem to attract, that anything approaching neutrality appears pro City?

 

[Rochdale Blue]

I binned off the Guardian podcast years ago, bunch of tossers apart from James Richardson & Tim (who’s name I forget) from Brazil

It's not the football podcast, it's one that covers news items from around the world.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Your opinion and your entitled to it.

What about Rushdie’s opinion? Is he entitled to that too?

 

[Pablo ZZZ Peroni]

Maybe not a fan but I think he is genuinely pro City in this contest. He also has contacts inside UEFA which no doubt need to be taken into account as the end game approaches.

I recall PB mentioning his inside UEFA contacts. I know PB was in contact with him about the toolkit and they were in agreement.

He was also on the case about wages when when some staff transferred to CFG reducing wages. Our red friends accused us of cheating whilst he simply stated it was a perfectly normal business practice as had also been argued by PB at the time. He mention it again in his thread today:

"That said, there has clearly been some “creative accounting” at MCFC who transferred some staff to City Football Group, reducing wages from £233m in 2013 to £205m in 2014. This is a perfectly normal business practice, but rare in the world of football.In any case, it looks like City Football Group then charge the club for services provided, which partly explains the large increase in #MCFC external charges from £42m in 2013 to £59m in 2014 (up to £98m in 2019).

 

[Kenward Garg]

What about Rushdie’s opinion? Is he entitled to that too?

He is.

 

[George Hannah]

Maybe it's just a consequence of the almost constant negative press we seem to attract, that anything approaching neutrality appears pro City?

Pro Truth = Pro City

 

[KS55]

But they should have because it's in the PL's own charter:

"We will ensure that our clubs behave with the upmost good faith and honesty to each other"

https://www.premierleague.com/about

"Any serious breach of the Rule Book results in an independent three-person tribunal sitting to hear the case, ascertain guilt and set the punishment, which can range from fines to points deductions and, in extreme cases, expulsion from the competition (this has never happened in the history of the Premier League)."

Amazing, in the light of that, that they showed no interest in enforcing their own rule. Perhaps hacking another club is not considered serious.

 

[George Hannah]

He is.

and he thoroughly deserves his assassination fatwa?

 

[ancoats]

i found the answer to all this shit with uefa and FFP

if sheikh mansour buys united or liverpool does this shit ever happen in the first place with FFP NOPE case closed

 

[Bandofblues]

Amazing, in the light of that, that they showed no interest in enforcing their own rule. Perhaps hacking another club is not considered serious.

Should have been a points deduction at the time. You do wonder whether the PL put pressure on to protect the brand.

 

[waspish]

i found the answer to all this shit with uefa and FFP

if sheikh mansour buys united or liverpool does this shit ever happen in the first place with FFP NOPE case closed

Yep you can see how Gill changed premier ffp.

 

[George Hannah]

Amazing, in the light of that, that they showed no interest in enforcing their own rule. Perhaps hacking another club is not considered serious.

We know the red hands in charge of the PL, both on the interview panel for their current CEO.

 

[CharliesRightPeg]

interesting

https://footballisfixed.blogspot.com/2012/02/peter-walton-is-red-bastard.html?m=1

Very interesting

 

[fulabeer]

what makes you think they wont face ANY sanctions ? City might take UEFA to court for lost of earns etc

We might sue them. More than likely we won't.
However, i meant there is nothing in place to stop them making false charges. They don't seem to answer to any government body.
The only threat to them is the cost of a lengthy claim afterwards. It shouldn't be up to us to regulate their behaviour. There needs to be something in place that prevents sanctions being given without passing certain criterias first. Like going before a truly independent legal panel before punishments are given out.
This case has proven that the press are delighting in the fact that we are guilty until proven innocent.
It should have been, we are charged. We either accept or deny the charges. If we accept, the punishment is declared and we can appeal the punishment.
If we deny, then it should automatically go into an independent process, that looks at boths sides fully, and rules if they have a genuine "legal" case.
Then all this bollocks could start etc.

As it is, nobody (like CAS) can do anything until they give their verdict. By then, some damage is already done.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Breakdown shown here is useful:

Marvellous! Told you it could be done more easily.

 

[KS55]

One might have wished for a more openly supportive piece. He doesn't mention the corrupt change of rules which led to our first FFP sanction nor the US investigation cited by PB showing our sponsors' support was not from SM.

The change of rule is in there.

 

[Grassland Blue]

So basically, they found us guilty because the "wanted" to find us guilty.
They couldn't get the info they (and other interested parties) wanted, so stated we didn't cooperate.
Penalise us knowing we would have to release sensitive information for our defence.
Whatever happens they know full well it damages us now and in the future.
This all in the knowledge that when we are cleared of any wrongdoing, they won't face ANY sanctions.
Seems like a fair system...

One question, how do you prove beyond doubt the hacked emails are genuine and unedited to use in an enquiry or court case?

Having been tried in a kangaroo court and sanction

Amazing, in the light of that, that they showed no interest in enforcing their own rule. Perhaps hacking another club is not considered serious.

I am told that the dippers hacked into our e-mails (club and private).
Not only that, but they tapped into private phone calls.
Above all that, they were the ones who disclosed the content (probably taken out of context), to UEFA.
I am told...