UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[Citizen Green]

I’d imagine, should we overturn the ban and be exonerated, that will be the end of it. No ‘shitstorm’, no press release, no anything, just a statement of vindication. Everyone’s a winner and we will have joined the Cartel. Hopefully we don’t go ‘full cartel’ and we are not lining up to take potshots at NUFC in 6/7 years, should their investment ambitions be successful.

Pretty much as I see it.

 

[Jacko1956]

29th June!!!

I am struggling to get my head around the fact that there has not been a single - even tiny - leak on this.

Not especially about the formal verdict - but the levels of confidence of the 2 parties.

There are so many people that will have been involved - they all have families/mates etc. and surely there has had to have ben many conversations where someone has expressed confidence/concern - but nothing....

Seems very strange to me - uncanny even - admirable perhaps, but it goes against simple human nature

I take this a very positive sign, if UEFA had any inclination that it had been upheld then leaks would have been done through the usual American outlets. UEFA roll this way leaking info to chosen media outlets and using them as another way to damaged our image hence the original leak before anything had been told to City. They only keep quite when they have to cover up corruption allegations and other negative reporting on them so I'm very optimistic.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I take this a very positive sign, if UEFA had any inclination that it had been upheld then leaks would have been done through the usual American outlets. UEFA roll this way leaking info to chosen media outlets and using them as another way to damaged our image hence the original leak before anything had been told to City. They only keep quite when they have to cover up corruption allegations and other negative reporting on them so I'm very optimistic.

Pretty much how I see it. If it was going the way uefa want some giddy idiot would have tipped off the usual media outlets who would have quoted 'sources'. In some respects it's job done by our enemies - the smear started the second we lifted the fa cup and continued until the dippers got the title off us.

 

[Citizen Green]

Pretty much how I see it. If it was going the way uefa want some giddy idiot would have tipped off the usual media outlets who would have quoted 'sources'. In some respects it's job done by our enemies - the smear started the second we lifted the fa cup and continued until the dippers got the title off us.

How would UEFA or City for that matter know how is it going? It's sat with an independent arbitrary body who are currently reviewing both sides presentations, there is nothing to leak.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

How would UEFA or City for that matter know how is it going? It's sat with an independent arbitrary body who are currently reviewing both sides presentations, there is nothing to leak.

Not stopped them before

 

[Nicholas van Whatsisface]

How would UEFA or City for that matter know how is it going? It's sat with an independent arbitrary body who are currently reviewing both sides presentations, there is nothing to leak.

Exactly - there is no decision to leak as yet, at least not from either UEFA’s or City’s sides.

A couple of City sources have leaked a sense of positivity following the hearing, but that’s as much as they’ll know at this stage.

I’ve not read of any leaks - either positive or negative - on the feeling at UEFA following CAS, but I’ll admit I may have missed something in one of the usual ‘City are evil’ tubthumping pieces since the hearing, as I don’t tend to give them the time of day.

But the idea that either City or UEFA are sitting on the confirmed decision without leaking is fantasy. There is simply no decision to leak yet.

 

[Eoiyflem]

Guys, there won't be a leak. UEFA won't know and neither will city, it's 3 highly reputed international judges who are presiding over this not a committee of bureaucrats.

 

[higgi1p]

I’d imagine, should we overturn the ban and be exonerated, that will be the end of it. No ‘shitstorm’, no press release, no anything, just a statement of vindication. Everyone’s a winner and we will have joined the Cartel. Hopefully we don’t go ‘full cartel’ and we are not lining up to take potshots at NUFC in 6/7 years, should their investment ambitions be successful.

IF we win we should not be INTHE CARTEL as no such thing should exist from then on.

 

[berryblue]

How would UEFA or City for that matter know how is it going? It's sat with an independent arbitrary body who are currently reviewing both sides presentations, there is nothing to leak.

If there was any hint of something negative happening to City the media would be all over it. Been like that since the take over.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

IF we win we should not be INTHE CARTEL as no such thing should exist from then on.

Why wouldn’t it?

We might win this case but it’ll be straight back to business as usual with UEFA and The Cartel, as it’s simply City in the dock not UEFA or the Cartel. There’s no real negative implications for UEFA and especially not the Cartel if City win this case. It’s just one thing in a string of them that they’ve failed to pin on us.

There may be a small mark against them but that’ll be forgotten about and never talked about again by them or the media.

Then they’ll be thinking up the next thing to get on us or to hinder us or to enhance them - which will be allowing teams’ historical performances and wins in Europe to allow them to play in the CL even if they finish outside the Top4. There’ll be no more “Top4”, just a group of CL clubs who will be the same year-on-year no matter where they finish in the league. Eventually they’ll be rich enough from the CL to consolidate Top4 for themselves every year anyway, so it won’t matter.

 

[domalino]

Why wouldn’t it?

We might win this case but it’ll be straight back to business as usual with UEFA and The Cartel, as it’s simply City in the dock not UEFA or the Cartel. There’s no real negative implications for UEFA and especially not the Cartel if City win this case.

Maybe a small mark against them but that’ll be forgotten about and never talked about again by them or the media.

I think there's pretty serious consequences for UEFA if this falls through.

Combined with the PSG farce, where Leterme let them off the hook to the anger of Cunha Rodrigues, I suspect at a minimum the AC and IC will be completely remade with different people, if they survive at all. I think they'll replace the chambers with another system.

It's pretty embarrassing to these people - serious people like judges - to have their decisions bounced back and especially in the kind of scenario that would have to happen for us to get no punishment. I think a few would quit.

Plus if it's true that certain big clubs were adamant we were banned, UEFA is going to have a lot of v. unhappy customers. I doubt they're in the dark about Ceferin offering us a deal with just a fine if people on here know about it. Also public opinion of FFP has really sunk lately, people see through the name and reasoning behind it now.

I think we could see a completely different financial control scheme come about if we win entirely. The coronavirus gives them a great excuse to change things up and allow some owner investment.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

If there was any hint of something negative happening to City the media would be all over it. Been like that since the take over.

I've been pinning my positive hopes to this type of reasoning.

There's enough of the slugs out there and there's no way they'd all keep quiet....honour amongst thieves? Not with that lot someone would have fired it out in the media by now if they knew anything at all.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

I think there's pretty serious consequences for UEFA if this falls through.

Combined with the PSG farce, where Leterme let them off the hook to the anger of Cunha de Rodrigues, I suspect at a minimum the AC and IC will be completely remade with different people, if they survive at all. I think they'll replace the chambers with another system.

If it's true that certain big clubs were adamant we were banned, UEFA is going to have a lot of v. unhappy customers. Also public opinion of FFP has really sunk lately, people see through the name and reasoning behind it now.

I think we could see a completely different financial control scheme come about if we win entirely. The coronavirus gives them a great excuse to change things up and allow some owner investment.

That seems a bit like a Hollywood film plot to me.

It’s not like we’ve taken UEFA and FFP to court because it’s an illegal business practice. We’re in the dock trying to defend ourselves that we haven’t broken FFP.

Win or lose FFP is still there, and there would have to be someone who is prepared to take UEFA to court over the illegality of FFP, never mind the years it’d take to go through that process. This process won’t have that outcome, it’s a completely separate issue that we aren’t even fighting.

 

[domalino]

That seems a bit like a Hollywood film plot to me.

It’s not like we’ve taken UEFA and FFP to court because it’s an illegal business practice. We’re in the dock trying to defend ourselves that we haven’t broken FFP.

Win or lose FFP is still there, and there would have to be someone who is prepared to take UEFA to court over the illegality of FFP, never mind the years it’d take to go through that process. This process won’t have that outcome, it’s a completely separate issue that we aren’t even fighting.

I'm not sure you read my comment properly. FFP will still be there, but you will have an AC and IC who, if City are correct, lead a politically motivated prosecution ignoring proof from the accused party that they'd done nothing wrong.

That's going to destroy the credibility of the entire process, especially so soon after Leterme and the IC deliberately let PSG off the hook by delaying passing their conclusions to the AC until the time period elapsed.

And I absolutely guarantee, if we get no punishment, there will be dozens of leaks from the usual suspects, and those will make the thing look a farce as well.

So the AC/IC chambers as an "independent" system will be dead and need to be replaced with something,

That alone will be pretty big changes at UEFA and FFP.

Seperate from that is a seeming lack of enthusiasm for FFP to remain in it's current guise. Covid-19 is going to cause a lot of problems, and UEFA have already been loosening it to accommodate new big owners in Milan and I'm sure the Saudi's will put the squeeze on if they get Newcastle.

I don't think it's unrealistic at all that FFP dies and is replaced in a few years regardless of the outcome of our hearing, but if we win, it could definitely bring things forward.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

I'm convinced we have won.

So much positivity around the place, I don't get any such vibe that we are staring down the barrel.

Either that, or we have very good poker players inside City.

 

[domalino]

I'm convinced we have won.

So much positivity around the place, I don't get any such vibe that we are staring down the barrel.

Either that, or we have very good poker players inside City.

Or terrible poker players and they think the hearing went well and it was a disaster.

 

[Fred_Quimby]

IF we are found "not guilty" by CAS do they not have to give a reasoning doe their judgement? If they do I think that this reasoning could be the downfall of FFP?

 

[mcfc1632]

How would UEFA or City for that matter know how is it going? It's sat with an independent arbitrary body who are currently reviewing both sides presentations, there is nothing to leak.

But it is not just that there has not been even the smallest whiff about the actual verdict - which I could understand - there has been nothing about the views of UEFA or CITY of how the process went.

The representatives of both parties would have left the 3 day hearing having heard all the other side had to say and observing the 'body language' of the 3 panel members - it is only natural for opinions to have been formed about how things were received which would get discussed with close family and friends - and then whispers start - yet nothing has even been 'gently whispered'.

Anyway - I am not adding anything to this so I will just get on with my frustrations - I just find it uncanny how this is the case - it really is contrary to human nature IMO

 

[Chappie]

I'm convinced we have won.

So much positivity around the place, I don't get any such vibe that we are staring down the barrel.

Either that, or we have very good poker players inside City.

At what level are we talking about Tolm
Khaldoons level or lower down the command chain

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

I’d imagine, should we overturn the ban and be exonerated, that will be the end of it. No ‘shitstorm’, no press release, no anything, just a statement of vindication. Everyone’s a winner and we will have joined the Cartel. Hopefully we don’t go ‘full cartel’ and we are not lining up to take potshots at NUFC in 6/7 years, should their investment ambitions be successful.

You never go FULL cartel. I hope we are Sinaloa and not Cali or Medellin!