UK far right trouble July/August 24

[ysmsa]

Two-tier policing at its most blatant

I think you are both on the WUM but this thread is like the background in a Scooby Doo cartoon when the gang are being chased by a ghoul :-)

 

[west didsblue]

I said the same this afternoon, the initial anger and misinformation of last Monday has dissipated and any who were thinking of getting involved are now seeing people get sent prison they have absolutely nothing to gain. Weekend might be different but I think it's finished now personally.

There’s going to be a lot of people sat at home with their arses twitching worrying about the 6am knock on the door whilst deleting shite from their social media. They’re not going to join in with more rioting.

 

[BlueHammer85]

absolutely nothing happening down here in Gravesend despite all the social media hype which pleased about. I'm going home!

 

[Jimmieblue]

What you legally could do is to start a petition for direct democracy according to the Swiss model, and then get enough people to sign it to then throw this huge petition at the feet of government and argue it should become a binding referendum and see how they react.

True legitimacy comes from the people, and if the people are by vast majority in agreement that they should have a different form of democracy it should be legitimate to abolish the previous one and replace it as long as the system is also within the bounds of human rights and protective enough of the rights of minority groups. That is to say, it is within the philosophy of self determination that this right could not be denied to the people by a class of careerist politicians.

It is a route to a peacefull transformation that can act as a strong vessel for the people to "take their government back". and there is "potential", if the British people can prove smart enough to rule themselves in good order. The Swiss have this empowering form of democracy, and rest assure its not a perfect system, but they arnt doing all that bad for themselves to be fair. It is a system that works somewhat better for the lower and middle class regardless that it isnt a Utopia, because these classes have those politicians more on a short leech. Then again the people then need to take responsibility for their choices, invariably building some tradition and culture of public consciousness and civil responsabillety that can arguably only start when the people also "learn by doing".

Yes its populist, very much so. The people dont get to blame it on the politicians anymore when its self rule, and neither can populist politicians. It takes a lot of sail out of opportunist poppulists if they cant direct their arrows at "some evol government" when it proves that the people ARE the govermetnment, because that would only spawn a reaction of "well F u who you think you are lets get your poppularity rekt".

It kinda love it though, especially if the poppulous would succeed with it too ofcourse, that they can stick it like that to the collectiove class of carreerist politicians and reduce their importance to a fraction of what it was in a dry fashion that has broad democratic support. Just show them the exit door, no guarantee that we wont reduce your pensions a bit either sorry about that.

Mind you, it comes at an ironic time, that just as their is a labor PM that is in power such apparent right wing elements come out of the woodwork to function as a destabilizing element for this "different direction", while apparently also seeming to blame this new govermnment for policies that ran for decades which they actually opposed from the opposition. The smell of this current violent process is quite in contrast with the ideal here put above, it is indeed completely anti-democratic in fashion and seems hostile to a aproach of finding utlillitarian compromises in a diverse enviroment, as a means to do well for all people.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

Two-tier policing at its most blatant

Two tier violence too.

 

[youngbob]

Boro is ok BUT businesses closed early and staff went home - all the pubs are shut. These dicks are destroying their own economies and depriving their friends and family wages, takings and endangering the viability of jobs and businesses where they live

Yeah all of Cheadle shut early for no reason in the end. Glad of it but frustrated how much of a hold it seems to have on us.

 

[zandvoort blue]

If Merseyside Police had been more proactive 6 years ago then the feral twats in Southport that kicked off this situation would have thought twice. The message Merseyside Police sent out that day to the local toerags was that it`s okay to stand on the roof of a police van and hurl objects with no threat of arrest.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

There’s going to be a lot of people sat at home with their arses twitching worrying about the 6am knock on the door whilst deleting shite from their social media. They’re not going to join in with more rioting.

Even if they deleted it, the police can still access it.

 

[jimharri]

Anyone who goes out on these protests tonight is a ****,

"tonight"? What about all the other nights?

 

[west didsblue]

"tonight"? What about all the other nights?

I think tonight’s cunts will be the extremely thick cunts rather than just the generally stupid cunts now it’s clear to most there’s a very good chance they’ll be going inside fairly quickly and they won’t be able to get an ETIAS visa to go to Magaluf for their hols.