UK far right trouble July/August 24

FlemishDuck said:
Note that the points of similarity i mentioned were "anti-immigration advocates", no i dont think most pensioners are nessecarily fascists and yet this lad has some questionable stuff he endorses on his page.

I always though, from an antropological p.o.v, that part why elders are distrustfull if not afraid from certain youths is that they have to live with degree of a frailty that makes them feel vulnerable to them.
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Questionable stuff? He seems to be a Nazi fan boy.
 
urban genie said:
Yes this is true but this goes beyond brexit alone, the seesds fornbrexit even coming about were sown as early as 2006 and gained traction with the global crash and governments responses, nobends like farage prayed on it, amd was mainly.ignored as a crank at first, 24hr news though gave him a platform especially the bbc who would have him on all the time pre 2010 GE and after.

minor bigoted sentiment (or unconscious bias as it is now termed) is in everyone and it doesn't take much to bring it to the fore, be it about race or religion, gender etc.

The biggest issue imho is that people fought for decades to stop people being labeled for their diferences to a period where words such as (@Moderating Team these are used for context ) puff, paki, spaz, idiot, taig etc were cllassed as unsociable.and taboo, now and twitrer, especially from american where catargarising people is standard and everyone is put under a tag be it karen, terf, snowflake, cis, gammon, wendy, libtard etc.

no one can have an opinion on a sigle issue without someone sticking you into a catagory, that leaves many disenfranchised as Facebook and Twitter tell them their marginalised and not listened to.

Noe on these riots though anyone who attemded in good daith believing it was a protest about crime and societal ecline but upon arriving to see it was far right racist and divisionary and decided to stay well they are complicit and deserve the tag as a bigot, you can feel disenfranchised about society but if you choose to support those that hate it and discriminate then you are no better.
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You are right, that the seeds were. But the rhetoric wasn't. That kicked in to gear with the campaign. Ironically, Brexit has now happened and the dust on most things is settling, but the rhetoric remains.

Basically Faragists cast a wide net, immigration-based division being the biggest catch. They caught a lot of the smaller fish too, the nhs, trade, farming, beurocracy, etc. Used the combined weight, and then chucked everything else away, held onto just the one big group that it was always primarily about.

You are bang on about the categories or sides too. People unfortunately do it to themselves as much as others do it to them, and it removes a big layer of the ability to look at things for what they are. How we go about changing that, who knows.
 
FlemishDuck said:
Note that the points of similarity i mentioned were "anti-immigration advocates", no i dont think most pensioners are nessecarily fascists and yet this lad has some questionable stuff he endorses on his page.

I always though, from an antropological p.o.v, that part why elders are distrustfull if not afraid from certain youths is that they have to live with degree of a frailty that makes them feel vulnerable to them.
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I can fully see where you are coming from there and maybe it is because of the area I live in but I have never really felt vulnerable. I have always found young and old alike to be caring and kind.
However I do admit that I am lucky in the folk around me and maybe if I were out in the 'wider' world it might be different.

There was/is a character in a Charles Kingsley book 'The Water Babies' called Mrs Doasyouwouldbedoneby, I just love that name. :-)
 
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Eccles Blue said:
What most people seem to forget and the pensioners who are, allegedly, the most vocal and against it, is that a heck of a lot of their ancestors probably came over from other places if they went back in history.

As a pensioner I sometimes just don’t understand a lot of my fellow pensioners. Even within my own circle of pensioner friends unfortunately.
Live and let live is what I hope I live by.
:-) :-)
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Never get why pensioners are so intent on voting to denude the NHS at the exact time in their lives they’re likely to need it the most!
 
Coatigan said:
You are right, that the seeds were. But the rhetoric wasn't. That kicked in to gear with the campaign. Ironically, Brexit has now happened and the dust on most things is settling, but the rhetoric remains.

Basically Faragists cast a wide net, immigration-based division being the biggest catch. They caught a lot of the smaller fish too, the nhs, trade, farming, beurocracy, etc. Used the combined weight, and then chucked everything else away, held onto just the one big group that it was always primarily about.

You are bang on about the categories or sides too. People unfortunately do it to themselves as much as others do it to them, and it removes a big layer of the ability to look at things for what they are. How we go about changing that, who knows.
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The Farage supporters though don't want to admit the truth and meet in the middle. The biggest concerns for them are actually the same things that concern everyone such as the state of our schools, NHS, transport etc. The problem is they're being taught to blame immigration for those problems when there is very weak evidence for it. The rest of us know that immigration to some level is necessary and acceptable.

The crazy thing is that Farage has even admitted that immigration is used to grow the country but therefore surely that also equals increased spending to solve problems? I don't understand why people want to end immigration and by admission shrink and damage the country, IE, damage their livelihoods.

His primary policy is also to reduce the nation state which surely by logic would mean more underfunding and the problems get even worse? So he may shutoff immigration and people will be happy about that, but then who will these people blame when nothing improves? Brexit has gone the same way, it's now not discussed because it has been a failure. It always ends in tears.

For people to be taken in by this rubbish is just ridiculous however Farage knows that the heart speaks much louder than the mind. This is just proving that logic and reason is irrelevant because ideas that prey upon our biases and prejudices are far more powerful and are coming to dominate the political landscape.
 
Eccles Blue said:
I can fully see where you are coming from there and maybe it is because of the area I live in but I have never really felt vulnerable. I have always found young and old alike to be caring and kind.
However I do admit that I am lucky in the folk around me and maybe if I were out in the 'wider' world it might be different.

There was/is a character in a Charles Dickens book 'The Water Babies' called Mrs Doasyouwouldbedoneby, I just love that name. :-)
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Charles Kingsley.

(After Bunyan...)
 
FlemishDuck said:
Ah take in mind one thing, this user on X called "based pensioner" is to a degree fairly representative of his demographic too.

x.com

twitter.com twitter.com

Dude is for real, no bot this time.



Which is to say, he wont be around forever, a fair number of them wont be. I'm always reminded that in real life many elders came usually out as the most staunch anti-immigration advocates. Like many, a person confused by modernity and not up to "being with the times".
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Silly old duffer! ‘Calling rioters criminal thugs doesn’t help’!

Jesus Christ, someone take the keyboard off him. Is there an antiques programme on the telly?
 
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