idahoblues
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UK far right trouble July/August 24
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cleavers
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I must have missed something then.In this instance, I believe she is. She’s judging an entire religion on actions of a minority of them.
She's never come over as anything like that to me.
Alan Harper's Tash
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And that’s fine. I’ve made my point. Others can take it or leave it.I must have missed something then.
She's never come over as anything like that to me.
I don't interact well with posters who call other posters islamaphobes or racists because they don't align with another posters views.In this instance, I believe she is. She’s judging an entire religion on actions of a minority of them.
That’s Islamophobic to me. Whether it’s fair or not can’t be known. I’m just going off her posts.
I don’t interact well with racists, so am asking to leave the conversation now. I have no interest in taking the debate further. She has her opinion and I have mine.
And you are right...I have my opinion and I think you are a dick.
But it is what it is and we can put each other on ignore
cleavers
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There's far worse in this world to get worked over imho :)And that’s fine. I’ve made my point. Others can take it or leave it.
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stop
Don't you fucking start. ;-)
I'm going to bed now and will answer when I've got a bit of spare time over the next few days.
I've got a whole lot of shite going on with my unwell son in the Czech Republic, trying to get him home with the help of the British Embassy in Prague
AHT is still a dick though.
Wasn’t trying to start anything, just don’t think that religious and political ideology are the same thing :) It cheapens the debate as it conflates the two. I don’t know anyone on any side of the political debate that advocates having the former having any influence on the state.
It’s just a chat on a forum though. Far more importantly, all the best with your son, hope he’s ok and you get him home asap.
Alan Harper's Tash
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Indeed. Like rioters trying to burn people alive.There's far worse in this world to get worked over imho :)
Alan Harper's Tash
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Awesome. I won’t put you on ignore, but won’t seek to converse with you.I don't interact well with posters who call other posters islamaphobes or racists because they don't align with another posters views.
And you are right...I have my opinion and I think you are a dick.
But it is what it is and we can put each other on ignore
I must have missed something then.
She's never come over as anything like that to me.
With a family as diverse as mine is, it would be difficult (to say the least!) that I'm Islamaphobic
But let him have him have his moment
Rascal
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In my mind its like arguing turnips are parsnips, its two completely different things.What is the right approach when suggesting racist riots shouldn’t be discussed because a soldier was killed over a decade ago?
The killing of Lee Rigby was murder by a lunatic, what possessed the lunatic to do it, i have no idea, i doubt anyone apart from him does. It was though a dreadful attack, but it also fuelled the far rights conspiracy thinking.
It fueled a narrative that any minority should be guilty of the acts of an individual, that does not happen to the majority. For instance there are far more white British pedophiles than there are Asian heritage pedophiles, but the narrative is that Asian heritage pedophiles dominate and there are no white grooming gangs. There is also a distinct section of the EDL who were done for pedophillia, look then up on line, you will be amazed at how many.
As for riots, they should all be discussed, whether they are racist or not, i support totally the right of any person to be racist as long as they protest within the laws of land just as i support the rights of just stop oil and their ilk.
We are though in dangerous times, the left that i idenitfy with has been destroyed by the liberal centre, the traditional tory right has been dragged further right by the likes of that fucking moron Farage. We have a "labour" government that is the most right wing I've ever seen and all that does is move the Overton window further rightwards.
The further right the political discourse gets, the more likely it becomes you will not be able to discuss what was quoted. Patriots (nationalists) will come to the fore without understanding the difference between Patriotism and Nationalism. I am on the left but i am a patriot of course, because the left is and always been patriotic, but that because of the confusion between nationalism and patriotism that distinction has been lost, (read orwell on it)
My fear is we are becoming a country that is nationalistic rather than patriotic and its fuelled by a basic lack of understanding of what that means, patriotism is a love of country and the people of that country, nationalism is a means of promoting ones country over any other country. Todays so called patriots are fucking clueless about what it means and that is scary, they use patriotism as a weapon to divide when patriotism has always been a tool to unite.
As a community we do need to talk these things through, it is why i would encourage debate on everything as everyones ideals are valid and every viewpoint is worthy of discussion.
We will see where the country goes, i have zero faith in Starmer though, he is another liberal lefty who doesnt quite get it.
I live in hope