UKIP

[Damocles]

Ok what do you assume he meant then ? instead of making sarky insinuations, grow up.

If you think he is a racist just fucking say it, just as you urge others to do.

Cut the shit and say it.

Why not ask him what he means by "wrong types".

He does not need you top tell him what he said i doubt or do you think every poster here is a twat as you seem to treat them with contempt.

In this thread you have acted like a sneering contemptuous arse to anyone who seems to agree with some form of better regulation.

You seem to be pissed off that I'm not telling other people their opinion.

Then insult me for doing so.

Interesting.

Damocles, there's no doubting your intelligence and you do positively contribute to the forum on a regular basis but you also carry this condescending attitude towards people either of a clearly lesser IQ or of a different opinion. Just say what you need to say, simple.

I carry an attitude that when people suggest an extreme point of view, they have to support this with something.

I also recognise debating and logical fallacies when I see them, having trained in this.

I seem to be getting slagged off because I asked people to support their opinion.

Interesting

 

[Rascal]

The asylum seekers are unlikely to fill your specific skill based immigration though, and yes of course we would like to 'brain drain' the world and use immigrants to create a vibrant UK tech sector we also need the minimum wage workers so our own feckless layabouts can sit on their arses drinking their JSA and whining about them 'coming over here and taking our jobs'. I lived in Lincolnshire for a while and the fields were full of Poles working their arses off in the freezing cold for minimum wage while the inbred locals sat in the pubs on benefits saying there was no work. I'm now in London, and again many sectors of the service industry rely on hard grafting Eastern Europeans to get by. At the same time housing ,schools and the NHS are struggling to cope with the expanding population.

The 17,000 asylum seekers arnt i agree but as free country we have an obligation to keep them safe from perscution and i hope that never ends.They may however prove us wrong if we accept them and give them the opportunity we have all had. Mo Farah is a decent example.

The Poles who worked those fields will have benfitted the economy, they will if they earned enough pay tax and through that wonderful econonic term the mulitiplier effect will have created wealth in the areas they lived.

I think what you are saying in effect is that its not the fault of the people who want to work even if they are from other countries that is the problem it is the normal much used sterotype of the feckless brit that is to blame.

My view is it suits the capatilsts to have an avialble and cheap workforce they can pay the minimum wage too, it maximises profits and makes them rich, the gap between the ordinary man and the rich has grown like never before and it will continue.

In the 70s the balance had swung to far towards the unions now the pendalum has swung the other way and the working man is kow-towing to the mega rich.

Back on topic, UKIP support the mega rich and want them taxed less. They have little idea of trying to formulate a more equal society

 

[TCIB]

You seem to be pissed off that I'm not telling other people their opinion.

Then insult me for doing so.

Interesting.

Damocles, there's no doubting your intelligence and you do positively contribute to the forum on a regular basis but you also carry this condescending attitude towards people either of a clearly lesser IQ or of a different opinion. Just say what you need to say, simple.

I carry an attitude that when people suggest an extreme point of view, they have to support this with something.

I also recognise debating and logical fallacies when I see them, having trained in this.

I seem to be getting slagged off because I asked people to support their opinion.

Interesting

Hmm i see no question here.

"The wrong type of immigrants.

Interesting."

 

[stonerblue]

I think you maybe missed my point. Britain has been taken deeper and deeper into a European Union without the consent of the British people, who voted for membership of a Common Market. However it's extremly unlikely that the politicians will give the British people the opportunity to have a say, because they know there's a bloody good chance that we'd vote No. This is why UKIP exists, to give those people who feel strongly that we should be out of the EU the opportunity to have their voices heard.

We elect people to represent us in the UK parliament, on far more important issues than the EU. There job when elected to our parliament is to decide how to vote as there conscience permits. In most other EU countries this is accepted as being part of the EU is seen as a boon rather than a hinderance to our respective nations futures.

Our forefathers voted for us to be part of the EU and they made that in good faith based on the arguments of the day, the issues of today are different i accept.

The EU as i asked before has little influence on our daily lives as our parliament is still soveriegn and i will again ask the questions. How does the EU affect your life and how will leaving benefit the UK?

I think the ability to control who comes into this country, and the right for our courts to decide who stays in this country, are fairly fundamental powers that have been given to the EU, without the consent of the British people. I believe we're one of the few countrys who are net contributors to the EU (8 billion pounds I believe), so I'd say being able to sepnd that money on schools, hospitals, transport, etc would be quite a powerful benefit to the UK. Interestingly, UKIP came second in two bi-elections last night, so I'd say the days of politicians simply ignoring the fact that the majority of the British people want out of the EU are numbered.

thats rubbish.

 

[Rascal]

I think the ability to control who comes into this country, and the right for our courts to decide who stays in this country, are fairly fundamental powers that have been given to the EU, without the consent of the British people. I believe we're one of the few countrys who are net contributors to the EU (8 billion pounds I believe), so I'd say being able to sepnd that money on schools, hospitals, transport, etc would be quite a powerful benefit to the UK. Interestingly, UKIP came second in two bi-elections last night, so I'd say the days of politicians simply ignoring the fact that the majority of the British people want out of the EU are numbered.

You are confused.

The ECHR absolutly nothing to do with the EU. The ECHR was set up with Churchills approvalafter WWII we didnt join the EU until 1974. Its a totallty different thing google it for FFS.

And i will ask this question again...............How does being a member of the EU affect your daily life?

 

[Helmet Cole]

The debate of immigration has always caused controversy, from the Irish in the 1800's to the present day. The one thing history has shown us is that we can count on leftists to side with incoming migrants and those on the right to side with the country's regulars.

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It was the govts. of the right in the 50s that first encouraged mass immigration to feed the countrys need for workers.

On the left as i am im not in favour of mass immigration, im in favour of specified immigration. If we need nurses let them in, if we need students to pay for our unis let them in, if we need cleaners let them in. Immigration should be used to plug gaps in our skills base.

Europe mind allows free movement of labour between its member states, people will flow where the work is and that is a capatilists dream. It has a bigger choice of workforce and it can keep costs as in wages down. Keep costs and wages down and that in Laissez-Faire circles means growth.

In simple terms, MCFC had a skills gap for a world class goalscoring centre forward, so we immigrated Sergio Aguero as the requisite skills were not available in the UK workforce.

I appreciate you are keeping this simple to make your point, but once you throw in asylum and benefits your 'capitalists dream' becomes blurred and we end up with the 'wrong' type of immigrants which do not address our skills gap.
I honestly don't know what the answer is - we need young immigrants to do frankly a lot of the crap low paid, but essential jobs in this country to maintain the lifestyle of our aging population. Unfortunately then in the next generation the problem will double, as we need to maintain an even larger aging population of old 'natives' and immigrants.
This is an issue for the whole western/capitalist world rather than the UK/UKIP and the only solutions I can see are a good pandemic, soylent green, or blowing up anyone over 30 like in that film which I can't remember the name of!

Here is what I wrote (in context with Rascals post). Hope from this you can see that I do not oppose immigration, but rather understand that we need it. By the 'wrong' type of immigrants I think you should all be able to see that I was refering to rascals, or rather the EU's idea of free movement of labour between member states and the fact that there are other influences upon immigration than the labour market.
Taken in isolation and out of context the phrase 'wrong type of immigrants' does of course suggest racist undertones. It is because Damocles chose to do this that I feel an otherwise excellent poster was being a dick. That is not to say Damocles is a dick, but rather that he was being one on this occasion.
As to why Damocles feels the need to do that.........

interesting.

 

[stonerblue]

not bad helmet

 

[Damocles]

Damocles, there's no doubting your intelligence and you do positively contribute to the forum on a regular basis but you also carry this condescending attitude towards people either of a clearly lesser IQ or of a different opinion. Just say what you need to say, simple.

I carry an attitude that when people suggest an extreme point of view, they have to support this with something.

I also recognise debating and logical fallacies when I see them, having trained in this.

I seem to be getting slagged off because I asked people to support their opinion.

Interesting

Hmm i see no question here.

"The wrong type of immigrants.

Interesting."

Yes, I'm pointing out that the idea of "right" and "wrong" immigrants whilst being anti immigration is ridiculous.

Should I start drawing pictures for you instead? I'm not good with Paint

 

[TCIB]

I carry an attitude that when people suggest an extreme point of view, they have to support this with something.

I also recognise debating and logical fallacies when I see them, having trained in this.

I seem to be getting slagged off because I asked people to support their opinion.

Interesting

Hmm i see no question here.

"The wrong type of immigrants.

Interesting."

Yes, I'm pointing out that the idea of "right" and "wrong" immigrants whilst being anti immigration is ridiculous.

Should I start drawing pictures for you instead? I'm not good with Paint

You point out no such thing.

As you say earlier in the thread "just say what you mean" stop beating around the bush.
Maybe practise what you preach once in a while ?

You don't agree with him so insinuate he is racist.

If however i have it totally wrong and you were not trying to smear a posters credability i would get the crayola's out :)

 

[Damocles]

Hmm i see no question here.

"The wrong type of immigrants.

Interesting."

Yes, I'm pointing out that the idea of "right" and "wrong" immigrants whilst being anti immigration is ridiculous.

Should I start drawing pictures for you instead? I'm not good with Paint

You point out no such thing.

As you say earlier in the thread "just say what you mean" stop beating around the bush.
Maybe practise what you preach once in a while ?

You don't agree with him so insinuate he is racist.

If however i have it totally wrong and you were not trying to smear a posters credability i would get the crayola's out :)

I assume, like everybody else, that people follow their sarcasm and their humour is self evident.

Like everybody else, I constantly fuck this up.