UKIP

[Rascal]

I appreciate you are keeping this simple to make your point, but once you throw in asylum and benefits your 'capitalists dream' becomes blurred and we end up with the 'wrong' type of immigrants which do not address our skills gap.
I honestly don't know what the answer is - we need young immigrants to do frankly a lot of the crap low paid, but essential jobs in this country to maintain the lifestyle of our aging population. Unfortunately then in the next generation the problem will double, as we need to maintain an even larger aging population of old 'natives' and immigrants.
This is an issue for the whole western/capitalist world rather than the UK/UKIP and the only solutions I can see are a good pandemic, soylent green, or blowing up anyone over 30 like in that film which I can't remember the name of!

Asylum and immigration is so blurred by this countrys press its ridiculous.

We have a duty as every country does to grant asylum under the Geneva convention. The fact we had an enormous epire means many see the UK as the mother country and will seek it here as we have been and i hope always will be a beacon of fairness and democracy.

Asylum seekers are not allowed to work, so whilst awaiting there judgements on wether they can stay the state must provide for them. That is the case in every country that recieves asylum seekers again under the Geneva convention. There were 17,000 in 2010 which was less per population than applied for asylum in Norway and Switzerland.

What we dont need is immigrants to do low paid unskilled jobs, we have enough of own of own to do that, what we need is the high skilled immigrants who benefit the country, we need the students who learn here and benefit here. What we need more than anything is employers who will not pay shite wages that encourage people desperate for work from coming here.

As for benefits. Benefits yadda yadda. No person from outside the UK can claim benefits until they have been registered as living here for 2 years. 2 years. Thats the rules you cant bypass them unless you are one of the 17,000 asylum seekers who the state under the Geneva convention has the obligation to support until there request has been approved or denied.

So many lies proffered by the press its shameful

 

[Damocles]

Don't be a dick Damocles. I purposely put wrong in quotation marks to make it clear (I hoped) that I was talking purely in terms of rascals utopian view of skills specified immigration, and the fact that there are factors other than the prevailing jobs market that affect what immigrants we get.

I'm just telling you what you said, and for that I'm called a dick.

Interesting.

 

[Rascal]

With 2.5 million unemployed, do we really need the worlds best cleaners to come to the uk?

You bring nothing to any debate we have apart from stupid comments.

No answers, no ideas of your own just ignorance and condescension.

If Heysham nuclear power station blew up like Fukijima did, would you want a gang of 19 year old unemployed lads fro Manchester to sort it or would you want experts in cleaning up such a mess?

 

[Helmet Cole]

I appreciate you are keeping this simple to make your point, but once you throw in asylum and benefits your 'capitalists dream' becomes blurred and we end up with the 'wrong' type of immigrants which do not address our skills gap.
I honestly don't know what the answer is - we need young immigrants to do frankly a lot of the crap low paid, but essential jobs in this country to maintain the lifestyle of our aging population. Unfortunately then in the next generation the problem will double, as we need to maintain an even larger aging population of old 'natives' and immigrants.
This is an issue for the whole western/capitalist world rather than the UK/UKIP and the only solutions I can see are a good pandemic, soylent green, or blowing up anyone over 30 like in that film which I can't remember the name of!

Asylum and immigration is so blurred by this countrys press its ridiculous.

We have a duty as every country does to grant asylum under the Geneva convention. The fact we had an enormous epire means many see the UK as the mother country and will seek it here as we have been and i hope always will be a beacon of fairness and democracy.

Asylum seekers are not allowed to work, so whilst awaiting there judgements on wether they can stay the state must provide for them. That is the case in every country that recieves asylum seekers again under the Geneva convention. There were 17,000 in 2010 which was less per population than applied for asylum in Norway and Switzerland.

What we dont need is immigrants to do low paid unskilled jobs, we have enough of own of own to do that, what we need is the high skilled immigrants who benefit the country, we need the students who learn here and benefit here. What we need more than anything is employers who will not pay shite wages that encourage people desperate for work from coming here.

As for benefits. Benefits yadda yadda. No person from outside the UK can claim benefits until they have been registered as living here for 2 years. 2 years. Thats the rules you cant bypass them unless you are one of the 17,000 asylum seekers who the state under the Geneva convention has the obligation to support until there request has been approved or denied.

So many lies proffered by the press its shameful

The asylum seekers are unlikely to fill your specific skill based immigration though, and yes of course we would like to 'brain drain' the world and use immigrants to create a vibrant UK tech sector we also need the minimum wage workers so our own feckless layabouts can sit on their arses drinking their JSA and whining about them 'coming over here and taking our jobs'. I lived in Lincolnshire for a while and the fields were full of Poles working their arses off in the freezing cold for minimum wage while the inbred locals sat in the pubs on benefits saying there was no work. I'm now in London, and again many sectors of the service industry rely on hard grafting Eastern Europeans to get by. At the same time housing ,schools and the NHS are struggling to cope with the expanding population.

 

[TCIB]

It was the govts. of the right in the 50s that first encouraged mass immigration to feed the countrys need for workers.

On the left as i am im not in favour of mass immigration, im in favour of specified immigration. If we need nurses let them in, if we need students to pay for our unis let them in, if we need cleaners let them in. Immigration should be used to plug gaps in our skills base.

Europe mind allows free movement of labour between its member states, people will flow where the work is and that is a capatilists dream. It has a bigger choice of workforce and it can keep costs as in wages down. Keep costs and wages down and that in Laissez-Faire circles means growth.

In simple terms, MCFC had a skills gap for a world class goalscoring centre forward, so we immigrated Sergio Aguero as the requisite skills were not available in the UK workforce.

I appreciate you are keeping this simple to make your point, but once you throw in asylum and benefits your 'capitalists dream' becomes blurred and we end up with the 'wrong' type of immigrants which do not address our skills gap.
I honestly don't know what the answer is - we need young immigrants to do frankly a lot of the crap low paid, but essential jobs in this country to maintain the lifestyle of our aging population. Unfortunately then in the next generation the problem will double, as we need to maintain an even larger aging population of old 'natives' and immigrants.
This is an issue for the whole western/capitalist world rather than the UK/UKIP and the only solutions I can see are a good pandemic, soylent green, or blowing up anyone over 30 like in that film which I can't remember the name of!

The wrong type of immigrants.

Interesting.

Ok what do you assume he meant then ? instead of making sarky insinuations, grow up.

If you think he is a racist just fucking say it, just as you urge others to do.

Cut the shit and say it.

Why not ask him what he means by "wrong types".

He does not need you to tell him what he said i doubt or do you think every poster here is a twat as you seem to treat them with contempt.

In this thread you have acted like a sneering contemptuous arse to anyone who seems to agree with some form of better regulation.

 

[Damocles]

I appreciate you are keeping this simple to make your point, but once you throw in asylum and benefits your 'capitalists dream' becomes blurred and we end up with the 'wrong' type of immigrants which do not address our skills gap.
I honestly don't know what the answer is - we need young immigrants to do frankly a lot of the crap low paid, but essential jobs in this country to maintain the lifestyle of our aging population. Unfortunately then in the next generation the problem will double, as we need to maintain an even larger aging population of old 'natives' and immigrants.
This is an issue for the whole western/capitalist world rather than the UK/UKIP and the only solutions I can see are a good pandemic, soylent green, or blowing up anyone over 30 like in that film which I can't remember the name of!

The wrong type of immigrants.

Interesting.

Ok what do you assume he meant then ? instead of making sarky insinuations, grow up.

If you think he is a racist just fucking say it, just as you urge others to do.

Cut the shit and say it.

Why not ask him what he means by "wrong types".

He does not need you top tell him what he said i doubt or do you think every poster here is a twat as you seem to treat them with contempt.

In this thread you have acted like a sneering contemptuous arse to anyone who seems to agree with some form of better regulation.

You seem to be pissed off that I'm not telling other people their opinion.

Then insult me for doing so.

Interesting.

 

[Seosa]

Ok what do you assume he meant then ? instead of making sarky insinuations, grow up.

If you think he is a racist just fucking say it, just as you urge others to do.

Cut the shit and say it.

Why not ask him what he means by "wrong types".

He does not need you top tell him what he said i doubt or do you think every poster here is a twat as you seem to treat them with contempt.

In this thread you have acted like a sneering contemptuous arse to anyone who seems to agree with some form of better regulation.

You seem to be pissed off that I'm not telling other people their opinion.

Then insult me for doing so.

Interesting.

Damocles, there's no doubting your intelligence and you do positively contribute to the forum on a regular basis but you also carry this condescending attitude towards people either of a clearly lesser IQ or of a different opinion. Just say what you need to say, simple.

 

[Balti]

I think you maybe missed my point. Britain has been taken deeper and deeper into a European Union without the consent of the British people, who voted for membership of a Common Market. However it's extremly unlikely that the politicians will give the British people the opportunity to have a say, because they know there's a bloody good chance that we'd vote No. This is why UKIP exists, to give those people who feel strongly that we should be out of the EU the opportunity to have their voices heard.

We elect people to represent us in the UK parliament, on far more important issues than the EU. There job when elected to our parliament is to decide how to vote as there conscience permits. In most other EU countries this is accepted as being part of the EU is seen as a boon rather than a hinderance to our respective nations futures.

Our forefathers voted for us to be part of the EU and they made that in good faith based on the arguments of the day, the issues of today are different i accept.

The EU as i asked before has little influence on our daily lives as our parliament is still soveriegn and i will again ask the questions. How does the EU affect your life and how will leaving benefit the UK?

Shame labour reneged on their promise for a referendum

Yet another broken government promise (gov't of both flavours)

They should not vote on conscience but as per manifesto, promises and the public will

That would be democratic and they would be representing us as they should, not lying to us and betraying us once they have the power that is all they care about

 

[hgblue]

I think you maybe missed my point. Britain has been taken deeper and deeper into a European Union without the consent of the British people, who voted for membership of a Common Market. However it's extremly unlikely that the politicians will give the British people the opportunity to have a say, because they know there's a bloody good chance that we'd vote No. This is why UKIP exists, to give those people who feel strongly that we should be out of the EU the opportunity to have their voices heard.

We elect people to represent us in the UK parliament, on far more important issues than the EU. There job when elected to our parliament is to decide how to vote as there conscience permits. In most other EU countries this is accepted as being part of the EU is seen as a boon rather than a hinderance to our respective nations futures.

Our forefathers voted for us to be part of the EU and they made that in good faith based on the arguments of the day, the issues of today are different i accept.

The EU as i asked before has little influence on our daily lives as our parliament is still soveriegn and i will again ask the questions. How does the EU affect your life and how will leaving benefit the UK?

I think the ability to control who comes into this country, and the right for our courts to decide who stays in this country, are fairly fundamental powers that have been given to the EU, without the consent of the British people. I believe we're one of the few countrys who are net contributors to the EU (8 billion pounds I believe), so I'd say being able to sepnd that money on schools, hospitals, transport, etc would be quite a powerful benefit to the UK. Interestingly, UKIP came second in two bi-elections last night, so I'd say the days of politicians simply ignoring the fact that the majority of the British people want out of the EU are numbered.

 

[TCIB]

Just ask for clarification of the poster as to what he meant by the comment.
Indeed to me it would give said clarification as opposed to steering it towards racial prejudice etc.

It will end in accusations and bans and then the thread gets closed.

Anyway idiot abroad time now :)