UKIP

[Ye Olde Hamiltonian]

as for benefits. Benefits yadda yadda. No person from outside the UK can claim benefits until they have been registered as living here for 2 years. 2 years. Thats the rules you cant bypass them unless you are one of the 17,000 asylum seekers who the state under the Geneva convention has the obligation to support until there request has been approved or denied.



Wrong and in the case of increasing numbers coming from countries outwith the Eastern European market,the rules are more lax.

I don't have problems with folk who have worked here and claimed taxes like many of the earlier Poles etc,but the same restrictions are not in place for other countries where,for example benefit is exported to the UK.That's why you can have Swiss nationals claiming nearly 400 quid pro rata Jobseekers Benefit.

By the way,there's plenty coming here now and going onto benefits like Income Support and ESA thanks to friendly doctors,benefit advisors and others who assuage early passage.

As someone who has worked with benefits,there are ways and means round the rules.Plenty folk have helpers who facilitate this............unfortunately for the GB taxpayer.

Just wait until all the Romanians and Bulgarians arrive here and start sucking the teat which is increasingly becoming drier.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

The problem I have with UKIP is that they take otherwise Tory votes, which makes it more likely for Labour to get back in - if that happens we might as well collectively top ourselves.

By all means feel free to lead the way.
I hear Dignitas have some cracking Christmas offers on.
I can organise a whip round of Cellarites keen to donate.

 

[Johnsonontheleft]

Hmm i see no question here.

"The wrong type of immigrants.

Interesting."

Yes, I'm pointing out that the idea of "right" and "wrong" immigrants whilst being anti immigration is ridiculous.

Should I start drawing pictures for you instead? I'm not good with Paint

You point out no such thing.

As you say earlier in the thread "just say what you mean" stop beating around the bush.
Maybe practise what you preach once in a while ?

You don't agree with him so insinuate he is racist.

If however i have it totally wrong and you were not trying to smear a posters credability i would get the crayola's out :)

'The Cellar' in a nutshell.<br /><br />-- Sat Dec 01, 2012 9:36 am --<br /><br />

The problem I have with UKIP is that they take otherwise Tory votes, which makes it more likely for Labour to get back in - if that happens we might as well collectively top ourselves.

By all means feel free to lead the way.
I hear Dignitas have some cracking Christmas offers on.
I can organise a whip round of Cellarites keen to donate.

I'm sure you can. Good one.

one.

 

[TCIB]

Very kind of the telegraph for this timely report.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/9713954/Interactive-graphic-how-UK-migration-has-changed-1964-2011.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... -2011.html</a>

It has a flash video so no point copy and pasting the text really but here you go anyway...



" The chart shows how more people were leaving the UK than coming to the country for almost all of the period from 1964 until 1983, and even from 1994, there were generally low levels of net migration into the UK no higher than the tens of thousands.

In 1993, the Maastricht Treaty came into effect, establishing the European Union and extending freedom of movement to EU nationals and workers.

Immigration massively spiked in 1997, after the new Labour government scrapped the "Primary Purpose" rule, which prevented entry for thousands of people married to British citizens.

Another spike in 2004 occurred after the EU 8 nations (Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia and Slovenia) joined the EU.

Since then net migration has remained at a roughly similar level, with the latest net migration figures the lowest since 2008, the year of a global recession."

 

[Damocles]

Hmm i see no question here.

"The wrong type of immigrants.

Interesting."

Yes, I'm pointing out that the idea of "right" and "wrong" immigrants whilst being anti immigration is ridiculous.

Should I start drawing pictures for you instead? I'm not good with Paint

I backed off earlier at Rascal's suggestion but shouldn't have bothered. Ever since then your condescending attitude has got worse and worse. If you had any training - as you claim - it clearly didn't include social or debating skills. Or does muttering the word "interesting" after each sneer count for something on Planet Smug?

You've mistaken me pointing out stupidity for me being smug. Unless you think that pointing out stupidity is inherently smug, then there's no hope left.

 

[Balti]

I think the ability to control who comes into this country, and the right for our courts to decide who stays in this country, are fairly fundamental powers that have been given to the EU, without the consent of the British people. I believe we're one of the few countrys who are net contributors to the EU (8 billion pounds I believe), so I'd say being able to sepnd that money on schools, hospitals, transport, etc would be quite a powerful benefit to the UK. Interestingly, UKIP came second in two bi-elections last night, so I'd say the days of politicians simply ignoring the fact that the majority of the British people want out of the EU are numbered.

You are confused.

The ECHR absolutly nothing to do with the EU. The ECHR was set up with Churchills approvalafter WWII we didnt join the EU until 1974. Its a totallty different thing google it for FFS.

And i will ask this question again...............How does being a member of the EU affect your daily life?

not much

not really good value for 600 billion quid then is it?

just more wealth creation for yet more faceless bureacrats who achieve nothing of consequence except lining their own pockets

at our (uk/eu taxpayers) expense

 

[Seosa]

Tbf I enjoy debating with the likes of Damocles & Rascal but when it comes to assumptions there can be some blinders in the Cellar.

 

[hgblue]

I think the ability to control who comes into this country, and the right for our courts to decide who stays in this country, are fairly fundamental powers that have been given to the EU, without the consent of the British people. I believe we're one of the few countrys who are net contributors to the EU (8 billion pounds I believe), so I'd say being able to sepnd that money on schools, hospitals, transport, etc would be quite a powerful benefit to the UK. Interestingly, UKIP came second in two bi-elections last night, so I'd say the days of politicians simply ignoring the fact that the majority of the British people want out of the EU are numbered.

You are confused.

The ECHR absolutly nothing to do with the EU. The ECHR was set up with Churchills approvalafter WWII we didnt join the EU until 1974. Its a totallty different thing google it for FFS.

And i will ask this question again...............How does being a member of the EU affect your daily life?

not much

not really good value for 600 billion quid then is it?

just more wealth creation for yet more faceless bureacrats who achieve nothing of consequence except lining their own pockets

at our expense

I was going to let that ride mate, because nothing bores me more than arguing about the fine detail of European treaties ;). It's the principle of power being given away without the consent of the people that bothers me, but principles and democracy are not strong points for our politicians.

 

[stonerblue]

as for benefits. Benefits yadda yadda. No person from outside the UK can claim benefits until they have been registered as living here for 2 years. 2 years. Thats the rules you cant bypass them unless you are one of the 17,000 asylum seekers who the state under the Geneva convention has the obligation to support until there request has been approved or denied.



Wrong and in the case of increasing numbers coming from countries outwith the Eastern European market,the rules are more lax.

I don't have problems with folk who have worked here and claimed taxes like many of the earlier Poles etc,but the same restrictions are not in place for other countries where,for example benefit is exported to the UK.That's why you can have Swiss nationals claiming nearly 400 quid pro rata Jobseekers Benefit.

By the way,there's plenty coming here now and going onto benefits like Income Support and ESA thanks to friendly doctors,benefit advisors and others who assuage early passage.

As someone who has worked with benefits,there are ways and means round the rules.Plenty folk have helpers who facilitate this............unfortunately for the GB taxpayer.

Just wait until all the Romanians and Bulgarians arrive here and start sucking the teat which is increasingly becoming drier.

what;s jobseekers benefit and do you know it's 2012<br /><br />-- Sat Dec 01, 2012 9:51 pm --<br /><br />

We elect people to represent us in the UK parliament, on far more important issues than the EU. There job when elected to our parliament is to decide how to vote as there conscience permits. In most other EU countries this is accepted as being part of the EU is seen as a boon rather than a hinderance to our respective nations futures.

Our forefathers voted for us to be part of the EU and they made that in good faith based on the arguments of the day, the issues of today are different i accept.

The EU as i asked before has little influence on our daily lives as our parliament is still soveriegn and i will again ask the questions. How does the EU affect your life and how will leaving benefit the UK?

I think the ability to control who comes into this country, and the right for our courts to decide who stays in this country, are fairly fundamental powers that have been given to the EU, without the consent of the British people. I believe we're one of the few countrys who are net contributors to the EU (8 billion pounds I believe), so I'd say being able to sepnd that money on schools, hospitals, transport, etc would be quite a powerful benefit to the UK. Interestingly, UKIP came second in two bi-elections last night, so I'd say the days of politicians simply ignoring the fact that the majority of the British people want out of the EU are numbered.

thats rubbish.

and still is today.

if you're gonna bang on get you shit right first and stop jerking your knees

 

[Mike D]

as for benefits. Benefits yadda yadda. No person from outside the UK can claim benefits until they have been registered as living here for 2 years. 2 years. Thats the rules you cant bypass them unless you are one of the 17,000 asylum seekers who the state under the Geneva convention has the obligation to support until there request has been approved or denied.



Wrong and in the case of increasing numbers coming from countries outwith the Eastern European market,the rules are more lax.

I don't have problems with folk who have worked here and claimed taxes like many of the earlier Poles etc,but the same restrictions are not in place for other countries where,for example benefit is exported to the UK.That's why you can have Swiss nationals claiming nearly 400 quid pro rata Jobseekers Benefit.

By the way,there's plenty coming here now and going onto benefits like Income Support and ESA thanks to friendly doctors,benefit advisors and others who assuage early passage.

As someone who has worked with benefits,there are ways and means round the rules.Plenty folk have helpers who facilitate this............unfortunately for the GB taxpayer.

Just wait until all the Romanians and Bulgarians arrive here and start sucking the teat which is increasingly becoming drier.