ULEZ Letter

Khan has just admitted in two years the ULEZ will not raise any money within two years, so that begs the question how can they afford to run it after two years? Pay per mile coming soon, they will just use the cameras for that.
 
Khan has just admitted in two years the ULEZ will not raise any money within two years, so that begs the question how can they afford to run it after two years? Pay per mile coming soon, they will just use the cameras for that.


Please explain ''what it will cost to run'' after two years. The infrastructure has already been installed and paid for ... its a fully automated system using ANPR.
 
Here, courtesy of the LSE, is an article that seems to confirm that the scientific research that supports the expansion of ULEZ is compelling and has not been doctored (unless I have missed something).


Although I live in London, am unaffected as I don't drive.

So it may well be that the expansion and charges are unjustifiable for other reasons, such as that they are burdensome and punitive for those who drive cars that are not exempt from the charge.

Given the length of this thread, I would assume that this side of the debate has already been discussed.

Will therefore take a look later.

My concern is merely to draw attention to the link in case it hasn't previously been posted. Apologies if it has.

The only other thing I would note is that whoever decided on the name 'Blade Runners' to describe those who are vandalising/disabling the cameras must be oblivious to the fact that both movies are set in an environmentally degraded future.

Having said that, the term was originally coined by the wonderfully eccentric American novelist William Burroughs.

Burroughs also liked a good conspiracy theory, and so, when he wasn't shooting up heroin, to which he became re-addicted at the age of 80 (though I might have misremembered his age when this happened), he would probably have been delighted to read about those who regard the policy as one more expression of attempts to exert control over the populace by some kind of shadowy elite (presumably the metropolitan variety that the mediocre political scientist Matthew Goodwin keeps banging on about, or maybe it's the same cabal that was behind the Covid and climate change hoaxes, or perhaps it's eco-friendly cultural Marxists this time, or the shapeshifting paedophile lizards, or the Illuminati...it's hard to keep track of all these malign forces that are competing to brainwash us these days).
 
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Please explain ''what it will cost to run'' after two years. The infrastructure has already been installed and paid for ... its a fully automated system using ANPR.
So it doesn’t have any humans involved, maintenance etc, come on nothing is fully automated, there will be millions paid to a company for the upkeep of it all, if there’s no cash coming in how do they continue to pay for it?
 
So it doesn’t have any humans involved, maintenance etc, come on nothing is fully automated, there will be millions paid to a company for the upkeep of it all, if there’s no cash coming in how do they continue to pay for it?

At the end of the day the public ends up paying for most things. Cleaner air seems one of the better things to cough up for if you pardon the pun:-)

It's been a cock up as per usual because a lot of these cars shouldn't be on the roads but we are where we are.

Generally I don't agree with taxing people for things that are bad for others. I would have stopped the sales of certain cars but that wouldn't change the problem that exists today.

People don't want to pay for or can't afford to get rid of cars that do harm to others.
 
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With away games against West Ham, Arsenal and Chelsea in the coming months I can see a few City fans getting fined now that the ULEZ covers everywhere inside the M25.
 
I live in Essex which borders the expanded ULEZ and my wife and I drive that way semi regularly.

As with the vast majority of people I’m completely unaffected and I don’t know anybody who is (not to say they don’t exist). There aren’t enormous swathes of people living in and around the most expensive part of the country riding round in cars that are decades old.

What there is though, is a massive problem with air quality and traffic shortening life expectancies. Which is why generally I find most people in and around London aren’t actually arsed about this policy. The only complaints I’ve heard about it are from people who don’t live here.

In my opinion, this is a necessary step towards removing polluting cars from cities - but it can’t work on its own, it can only work with two extra considerations:
1) the scrappage scheme for cars that don’t qualify needs to be strong.
2) the public transport needs to be promoted in place of road travel with investment and cheaper fares.

I would be very surprised if a business operating in and around London with an old van can’t bear a £12.50 charge which it can pass onto consumers - £12.50 hardly gets you a pint here, nobody would bat an eye. And if it can’t do that then I have to question the value of it driving around heavily congested areas in the first place.
 
I live in Essex which borders the expanded ULEZ and my wife and I drive that way semi regularly.

As with the vast majority of people I’m completely unaffected and I don’t know anybody who is (not to say they don’t exist). There aren’t enormous swathes of people living in and around the most expensive part of the country riding round in cars that are decades old.

What there is though, is a massive problem with air quality and traffic shortening life expectancies. Which is why generally I find most people in and around London aren’t actually arsed about this policy. The only complaints I’ve heard about it are from people who don’t live here.

In my opinion, this is a necessary step towards removing polluting cars from cities - but it can’t work on its own, it can only work with two extra considerations:
1) the scrappage scheme for cars that don’t qualify needs to be strong.
2) the public transport needs to be promoted in place of road travel with investment and cheaper fares.

I would be very surprised if a business operating in and around London with an old van can’t bear a £12.50 charge which it can pass onto consumers - £12.50 hardly gets you a pint here, nobody would bat an eye. And if it can’t do that then I have to question the value of it driving around heavily congested areas in the first place.

The self employed don't like paying tax, who does really:-)

Lot of moaning not much in the way of solutions.
 

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