ULEZ Letter

[domalino]

If you can afford a compliant car no tax, if you can’t afford to the change the car Ulez tax, the less well off being penalised, it’s fucking ridiculous.

This has been a common complaint but it's been pretty comprehensively disproven.

The less well off in Greater London don't use cars. The less well off are more likely to be living in high pollution areas.

ULEZ: 70% Of Outer London’s Poorest Households Do Not Own Cars

The very poorest in society do not drive, and reducing the numbers of the most polluting motor vehicles in London would benefit everybody.

www.forbes.com

 

[give it to gordon]

whats the £1800 for?

Paying every time he comes back from his parents

 

[hammocity]

Aberdeen, Birmingham, Bradford, Bristol, Dundee, Aberdeen, Edinburgh. Nobody cared a fuck about their poor and they have a much poorer public transport provision

Difference is those charges mainly apply to just the City Centres, in London it’s across all boroughs plus they have the congestion charge to contend with. There’s a couple of others I know of as well, Sheffield and Bath, they’re definitely City Centres only.

I also didn’t post “poor”, I stated “less well off”!

 

[hammocity]

This has been a common complaint but it's been pretty comprehensively disproven.

The less well off in Greater London don't use cars. The less well off are more likely to be living in high pollution areas.

ULEZ: 70% Of Outer London’s Poorest Households Do Not Own Cars

The very poorest in society do not drive, and reducing the numbers of the most polluting motor vehicles in London would benefit everybody.

www.forbes.com

That article starts off with “the very poorest in society” not the “less well off”.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

This has been a common complaint but it's been pretty comprehensively disproven.

The less well off in Greater London don't use cars. The less well off are more likely to be living in high pollution areas.

ULEZ: 70% Of Outer London’s Poorest Households Do Not Own Cars

The very poorest in society do not drive, and reducing the numbers of the most polluting motor vehicles in London would benefit everybody.

www.forbes.com

I think the vast section of people affected that are not being talked about are tradesmen living just outside the zone but now incurring costs to drive into it daily. A bloke (electrician) I was fishing with at the weekend reckons that with congestion charge, ulez and parking (massive van admittedly) it's £97 a day in total for him to do a job in London now. There again, the £12.50 ulez is only a small part of that I suppose.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Difference is those charges mainly apply to just the City Centres, in London it’s across all boroughs plus they have the congestion charge to contend with. There’s a couple of others I know of as well, Sheffield and Bath, they’re definitely City Centres only.

I also didn’t post “poor”, I stated “less well off”!

Does the M1 run through Sheffield city centre? Only the last few times I have driven down there its restricted to 60mph for "cleaner air" - not a charge I know though each journey I make along that stretch I do see a Police car patrolling so I guess for some unlucky sods the charge comes in the form of a fine and 3 points

 

[domalino]

I think the vast section of people affected that are not being talked about are tradesmen living just outside the zone but now incurring costs to drive into it daily. A bloke (electrician) I was fishing with at the weekend reckons that with congestion charge, ulez and parking (massive van admittedly) it's £97 a day in total for him to do a job in London now. There again, the £12.50 ulez is only a small part of that I suppose.

Tradesmen and businesses will just pass the cost onto the customer. The day rate for a plumber is about £400-500 in London so you’re talking about a 2% price increase. Electricians are more like £300 so it’s roughly 4%, but they’re more likely to do multiple jobs a day and can split it between all their customers.

 

[domalino]

That article starts off with “the very poorest in society” not the “less well off”.

So what you mean by the “less well off” is the middle class.

 

[Blue Maverick]

Does the M1 run through Sheffield city centre? Only the last few times I have driven down there its restricted to 60mph for "cleaner air" - not a charge I know though each journey I make along that stretch I do see a Police car patrolling so I guess for some unlucky sods the charge comes in the form of a fine and 3 points

Thing is each city does it differently so Sheffield doesn’t charge private cars but Birmingham and London do.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Thing is each city does it differently so Sheffield doesn’t charge private cars but Birmingham and London do.

The point I was making is all those places have them and not a peep was raised by those in the media and in politics but the London one has sparked outcry