ULEZ Letter

bluethrunthru said:
quite simply these needs to be implemented and its impact in the real world then if a small number of the poor and disadvantaged are impacted too adversely the thing can be tweaked to be a better fit.

Too many people are influenced by a hate for Labour, for Khan or just for change they are believing some shit and not seeing the facts.

Facts - its Johnsons baby from when he was London Mayor and its being widened is because Shapps insisted on it as part of a TFL bail out in Covid times. Obvs the Tories didn't mention that but for the life of me I cannot understand why Labour didn't campaign on it.

Lies - its all Khans doing - its not see above. I saw a tweet from a Labour canvasser from the byelection who was astounded to be met on the doorstep by someone ranting and raving about "Khans ULEZ tax" and how he wasn't going to pay it whilst at the same time charging up his Tesla on his drive. And we have a lad from Oldham seemingly worried about its impact - can't see Khan extending its borders to Royton. Oh and the Tory campaigned on the ticket that he would get the ULEZ charge dropped....... how? He is one MP and its in law so he had no power in that respect.
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Never let the facts get in the way of a hypocritical Tory campaign.


Legislate, then get your local Tories to campaign against the Labour Council implementing the legislation.
 
@J.G.Blue.


Scientists reveal how air pollution can cause lung cancer in people who have never smoked

Cancer Research UK-funded scientists at the Francis Crick Institute and UCL have revealed how air pollution can cause lung cancer in people who have never smoked.
www.crick.ac.uk www.crick.ac.uk

Estimating the costs of air pollution to the National Health Service and social care: An assessment and forecast up to 2035 - PMC

Air pollution damages health by promoting the onset of some non-communicable diseases (NCDs), putting additional strain on the National Health Service (NHS) and social care. This study quantifies the total health and related NHS and social care cost ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Air pollution causes cancer. It's not debateable.

So yeah, just like I'm sure smokers got all upset when they were told their smoking was giving other people cancer, now people in high emissions cars (and all of us who drive cars daily) are going to get upset, but no matter how upset you get, it's still true.
 
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domalino said:
@J.G.Blue.


Scientists reveal how air pollution can cause lung cancer in people who have never smoked

Cancer Research UK-funded scientists at the Francis Crick Institute and UCL have revealed how air pollution can cause lung cancer in people who have never smoked.
www.crick.ac.uk www.crick.ac.uk

Estimating the costs of air pollution to the National Health Service and social care: An assessment and forecast up to 2035 - PMC

Air pollution damages health by promoting the onset of some non-communicable diseases (NCDs), putting additional strain on the National Health Service (NHS) and social care. This study quantifies the total health and related NHS and social care cost ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Air pollution causes cancer. It's not debateable.

So yeah, just like I'm sure smokers got all upset when they were told their smoking was giving other people cancer, now people in high emissions cars (and all of us who drive cars daily) are going to get upset, but no matter how upset you get, it's still true.
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It’s one of those topics where there needs to be cross party consensus regardless of if there’s public support for it or not tbh and crack on. Unfortunately not going to happen though, it’ll be used as a battleground for the election if the conservatives think it’s a vote winner despite them actually being fully for it.
 
meltonblue said:
It’s one of those topics where there needs to be cross party consensus regardless of if there’s public support for it or not tbh and crack on. Unfortunately not going to happen though, it’ll be used as a battleground for the election if the conservatives think it’s a vote winner despite them actually being fully for it.
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Until last week there was cross party consensus!

The conservative government campaigned on it 4 years ago, they made Sadie Khan do it as part of the TFL bailout and he is more than happy to do it.


It’s only because of the by-election the tories are making it a wedge.
 
domalino said:
@J.G.Blue.


Scientists reveal how air pollution can cause lung cancer in people who have never smoked

Cancer Research UK-funded scientists at the Francis Crick Institute and UCL have revealed how air pollution can cause lung cancer in people who have never smoked.
www.crick.ac.uk www.crick.ac.uk

Estimating the costs of air pollution to the National Health Service and social care: An assessment and forecast up to 2035 - PMC

Air pollution damages health by promoting the onset of some non-communicable diseases (NCDs), putting additional strain on the National Health Service (NHS) and social care. This study quantifies the total health and related NHS and social care cost ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Air pollution causes cancer. It's not debateable.

So yeah, just like I'm sure smokers got all upset when they were told their smoking was giving other people cancer, now people in high emissions cars (and all of us who drive cars daily) are going to get upset, but no matter how upset you get, it's still true.
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Only within the M25 apparently
 
Blue Maverick said:
I’m in Oldham, I have a 2011 diesel you know the cars that everyone was encouraged to buy by Gordon Brown! I did drive it to the FA cup final so that’s possibly why I did get a letter, as for the loophole if thousands did it to Khan imagine that coming through everyday to his office that would be worth watching, illegal or not. The guy gifted his car to Khan so he technically is the owner, same as I own my car but it’s my wife insures it, any speeding tickets etc come to me, same would happen with Khan.
The ULEZ is been massively expanded in London almost the size of the one in Greater Manchester proposals! It’s all a pure money making scam as he’s doing on the back of flawed and incorrect data which when questioned on he just doesn’t answer, it’s also not one of his mandates he’s just done this off his own back, the scrap page scheme is laughable and they know that people can’t afford to buy newer vehicles especially at the moment, the only saving Grace about the Manchester one was it didn’t affect private cars but I’m sure that would soon be introduced.
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I live in Prestwich, near junction 17 of the M60. Bury New Rd which leads off the junction towards Manchester is the 10th most polluted road in the UK.
I drive a 2004 registered car which is compliant.
I also cannot afford to buy a new car but for the sake of my heart and lungs fully back ULEZ.
If a scheme comes in Manchester at least you will get £5000 scrap for your car.
Which I can probably smell from here.
 
Fat Larrys Band said:
I live in Prestwich, near junction 17 of the M60. Bury New Rd which leads off the junction towards Manchester is the 10th most polluted road in the UK.
I drive a 2004 registered car which is compliant.
I also cannot afford to buy a new car but for the sake of my heart and lungs fully back ULEZ.
If a scheme comes in Manchester at least you will get £5000 scrap for your car.
Which I can probably smell from here.
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How do you know you’ll get the £5k?
 
domalino said:
Until last week there was cross party consensus!

The conservative government campaigned on it 4 years ago, they made Sadie Khan do it as part of the TFL bailout and he is more than happy to do it.


It’s only because of the by-election the tories are making it a wedge.
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No I know, I meant exactly that, meant to say “now” after saying it’s not going to happen.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
As will pay per mile. The govt will have to maintain the roads without the revenue from the pumps once we are all driving our electric cars - magically powered by electricity not made from burning fossil fuels and releasing co2.
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It'll be shoved on the price of electricity so that whoever fills up on the street will cop for it, and anyone with electricity in their house, whether they have an electric car or not, will have a surcharge added to the bill, like the 'standing' charge' that's familiar.
 
domalino said:
How many people driving 18+ year old cars do you think are not eligible for any of these?

  • Universal Credit
  • Armed Forces Independence Payment
  • Attendance Allowance
  • Carer’s Allowance
  • Child Tax Credit
  • Constant Attendance Allowance
  • Disability Living Allowance
  • Employment and Support Allowance
  • Housing Benefit
  • Income Support
  • Industrial Injuries Disablement Benefit
  • Jobseeker’s Allowance
  • Pension Credit
  • Personal Independence Payment
  • Severe Disablement Allowance
  • War Pensions Mobility Supplement
  • Working Tax Credit

I don't think you actually have to buy a brand new car to get the scrappage grant - it's certainly not mentioned anywhere on the TFL website.


On the one hand I have people saying "You're just screwing over the poorest 2%" and then on the other "You have to be on benefits to get help". The poorest 2% are on benefits. What a surprise, the people who came up with this scheme actually spent more than 5 minutes thinking about it.
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Worth bearing in mind that 'poor' in the new ulez zone could easily be a household earning 50-100k with a mortgage and kids.
 
west didsblue said:
It’s a fuss about nothing that the Tory party have hypocritically latched on to because they think it might get them some votes. There will be scaremongering about a nationwide ULEZ in the run up to the next election because they think it’s a vote winner.
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I think this has been an issue for Londoners for a few years. Not based upon the mayors political allegiance but on his determination to rail road this through when many are still picking up the financial pieces from the pandemic. It's just been thrust into the limelight as a party political issue by the by-election last week. There probably should be nationwide ulez really unless we think other towns and cities have magical properties.
 
Fat Larrys Band said:
Because someone quoted £5k for diesel in a previous thread... So must be true. I will get nothing for my 2004 petrol car.
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Unless it's a real monster it's probably compliant. Take the dates with a pinch of salt - most petrol cars are ok, it's diesels that are the issue, and all to do with the type of engine / emission level. You might find a diesel 2009 reg that's fine and a 2014 reg that isn't.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Worth bearing in mind that 'poor' in the new ulez zone could easily be a household earning 50-100k with a mortgage and kids.
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I would be pretty surprised if anyone earning 100k/year has a 2005 petrol car.

2014/15 diesel? Possibly but few and they can afford to replace it.

We’re talking about a tiny minority of a tiny minority and someone’s always going to be on the wrong side of qualifying for grants.
 
If they’ve got a 13/14 diesel, they might well be paying 0 road tax currently. I’ve got a 2013 Golf and a 2016 Discovery Sport. I don’t pay any road tax for the golf and a lot for the discovery sport. The discovery sport is exempt from Ulez but the golf isn’t.
 
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