BlueMoonRisin’
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Soon as I read "people are cunts" I was trying to press the like button pal: )
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Unions
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Stuuuuuu
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I haven't read the thread so no doubt this has already been said, but unions have given us:
To complain about unions is a 1st World Problem and a symptom of us becoming spoit brats. Please take a minute to have a look at that list and imagine life without those things. As far as I can see, the only reason anyone could oppose what unions have achieved - and continue to achieve - is that they're a greedy and exploitative employer. If they're not in a position to reasonably provide the contents of the above list, then I would suggest that they're not doing a good job of running a credible business.
- Paid annual leave;
- Weekends;
- Much improved pay;
- Much improved conditions;
- Reasonable working hours;
- Sickness entitlement;
- Holidays.
To complain about unions is a 1st World Problem and a symptom of us becoming spoit brats. Please take a minute to have a look at that list and imagine life without those things. As far as I can see, the only reason anyone could oppose what unions have achieved - and continue to achieve - is that they're a greedy and exploitative employer. If they're not in a position to reasonably provide the contents of the above list, then I would suggest that they're not doing a good job of running a credible business.
Rascal
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I remember watching a documentary about industrial strife in the 60’s and 70’s, and Peter Shore, of all people, appearing as a talking head, acknowledged (or words to the effect of) without any ostensible prompting, that the Unions fucking blew it.
I wonder how different the country would look today if they’d been more restrained, considered and strategic when they were at their strongest (as well as their most irresponsible).
They overplayed their...errr...collective hand and I believe the country is a poorer place to live today as a consequence. Almost certainly Thatcher would have been a milk-snatching footnote in history if it wasn’t for their high-octane charged recalcitrance in the mid-70’s.
They fucked themselves, basically.
Look into Heath's incomes policy whilst he was PM.
Rascal
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I'm not saying that unions don't have a role in protecting workers' rights, trouble is some of them take it to the extreme.
We used to manufacture 4 car brands in Australia including Ford Mitsubishi Toyota and Holden GM, now we manufacture none, primary reasons is that Australian employees are the most expensive in the world, not only do we get 4 weeks annual leave plus 10 days statutory leave we also get 10 weeks long service leave every 10 years and we actually get leave loading so higher pay when we are on holiday... this is all come about by union pressure over the years.
Australian wages are amongst the highest in the world including a minimum wage of about $20 an hour.
Unions have done a great job getting all these benefits for workers manufacturing is getting less & Less.
Its not that Aussie wages are high, its that capitalists prefer to exploit workers from countries where wages are low.
All that a working class man has to sell is his labour, the more he gets for his labour the better, Marx talks about this using Surplus Value.
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese
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Sadly what was an excellent wumming thread has degenerated into serious discussion. I did warn the op that this could happen, and urged him to change the title to white lives matter, or something about Israel but he didn't fucking listen and now look where we are.
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader
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i prefer the white ones,but ill eat the red ones as well, spring ones are nice, but fried ones on a hot dog are my favourite
My ERO (currently Norf Landan and healthy eater) is appalled at my predilection for home-assembled dawgs. And I have recently elevated my art by paying attention to that Spanish chef they have at City who showed us how to make a Spanish omelette, and caramelised the unions - high heat and constant stirring, rather than the slow, sweating I used to employ!
I could be a shop steward in a hot dog factory, but I've got the wrong kind of frying pan!
Sadly what was an excellent wumming thread has degenerated into serious discussion. I did warn the op that this could happen, and urged him to change the title to white lives matter, or something about Israel but he didn't fucking listen and now look where we are.
Unions are ok for yoghurt knitting teachers or wimps that can't stand up for themselves I suppose.
(There, back on track!)
Mat would have posted in this thread in defence of the unions, especially the train ones but unfortunately he was working the 14.52 London to Birmingham train but instead he ended up in Crewe...…… All together now......
Oh Mr Porter what shall I do
I want to go to Birmingham
And they're taking me on to Crewe
Send me back to London as quickly as you can
Oh Mr Porter what a silly girl I am.
Oh Mr Porter what shall I do
I want to go to Birmingham
And they're taking me on to Crewe
Send me back to London as quickly as you can
Oh Mr Porter what a silly girl I am.
Interesting that a lot of the latest covid outbreaks seem to be linked to factories that stayed open when they shouldn't have done, where workers are saying they're being to forced to go in sick and where social distancing has been ignored. We're seeing it at meat plants in Germany and The States and similar stories coming factories in a Leicester. Perhaps if more of us were properly unionised and able to push back against unscrupulous bosses like this we'd have been a lot better prepared to deal with a crisis like this. Lots of people have spent too much time whinging about outdoor protests rather than talking about where the real problem is.
no you wouldnt.Yes I would.
the TOCS and FOCS want more for their money and would have people doing unsafe stuff to do it quicker and more cheaply.
if a member of staff said no im not doing it as it not safe and had no union to back him up he would simply be sacked.
the unions are there to make sure the railway is safe for its workers and customers.
its a pretty simple fact really and i dont know why you cant get your head round it.
how do you figure that out?That's down to the engineers not the unions.
If we got rid of the unions train journeys would be cheaper.
the TOCS and the government decide the fair increases and have literally nothing to do with the unions.
gordondaviesmoustache
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Heath treated the Unions with far more respect than Thatcher ever did. Perhaps if the Unions had reciprocated a little more, Thatcherism wouldn’t have happened.Look into Heath's incomes policy whilst he was PM.
Rascal
El Presidente
He opened the door for wage increases with his stupidity. He may have been trying to treat the unions fairly, but he was a daft ****.Heath treated the Unions with far more respect than Thatcher ever did. Perhaps if the Unions had reciprocated a little more, Thatcherism wouldn’t have happened.
carlosthejackal
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The working class bad mouthing trade unions, unbelievable.
Interesting that a lot of the latest covid outbreaks seem to be linked to factories that stayed open when they shouldn't have done, where workers are saying they're being to forced to go in sick and where social distancing has been ignored. We're seeing it at meat plants in Germany and The States and similar stories coming factories in a Leicester. Perhaps if more of us were properly unionised and able to push back against unscrupulous bosses like this we'd have been a lot better prepared to deal with a crisis like this. Lots of people have spent too much time whinging about outdoor protests rather than talking about where the real problem is.
Most likely a lot of those workers were agency. Its how businesses beat the unions.
Place my friend works at there are only 5 full timers on each shift with around 40 agency workers per shift, on zero hour contracts, often told where the gate is if they raise any issues in regards to h&s, conditions etc
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese
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Trains can drive themselves and ticketing is automated. Every train crash in this country has involved an overpaid human driver FACT. Probably a fucking union member toono you wouldnt.
the TOCS and FOCS want more for their money and would have people doing unsafe stuff to do it quicker and more cheaply.
if a member of staff said no im not doing it as it not safe and had no union to back him up he would simply be sacked.
the unions are there to make sure the railway is safe for its workers and customers.
its a pretty simple fact really and i dont know why you cant get your head round it.
Tuearts right boot
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I'm not saying that unions don't have a role in protecting workers' rights, trouble is some of them take it to the extreme.
We used to manufacture 4 car brands in Australia including Ford Mitsubishi Toyota and Holden GM, now we manufacture none, primary reasons is that Australian employees are the most expensive in the world, not only do we get 4 weeks annual leave plus 10 days statutory leave we also get 10 weeks long service leave every 10 years and we actually get leave loading so higher pay when we are on holiday... this is all come about by union pressure over the years.
Australian wages are amongst the highest in the world including a minimum wage of about $20 an hour.
Unions have done a great job getting all these benefits for workers manufacturing is getting less & Less.
I'm not saying that unions don't have a role in protecting workers' rights, trouble is some of them take it to the extreme.
We used to manufacture 4 car brands in Australia including Ford Mitsubishi Toyota and Holden GM, now we manufacture none, primary reasons is that Australian employees are the most expensive in the world, not only do we get 4 weeks annual leave plus 10 days statutory leave we also get 10 weeks long service leave every 10 years and we actually get leave loading so higher pay when we are on holiday... this is all come about by union pressure over the years.
Australian wages are amongst the highest in the world including a minimum wage of about $20 an hour.
Unions have done a great job getting all these benefits for workers manufacturing is getting less & Less.
Brilliant... I think you've just answered a question that has been niggling me for years. Could never understand how Oz sucked in imports yet basically didn't export much other than beef and ore. I also realise that it is on the other side of the world so exporting would cost but I dont know of one thing that is ' Made in Australia ' and the talk of a high standard of living left me wondering....How the hell.....Surely the country must be up to it's eyeballs in debt.
Sorry if already posted, but go on a visit to this museum, its just round the corner for mancs.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_History_Museum
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_History_Museum
Bill Walker
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Here ya go...Brilliant... I think you've just answered a question that has been niggling me for years. Could never understand how Oz sucked in imports yet basically didn't export much other than beef and ore. I also realise that it is on the other side of the world so exporting would cost but I dont know of one thing that is ' Made in Australia ' and the talk of a high standard of living left me wondering....How the hell.....Surely the country must be up to it's eyeballs in debt.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exports_of_Australia
Coal, gas, education and wine are big earners, as well as beef, lamb...the biggest is iron ore.