United (A) | Post Match Thread

[Big Jonjo]

First half was poor by both teams, but they had a few chances due to our errors. Second half, much much better and it started to feel like City of old. Bad call from ref/var for their first goal and then we lost a bit of composure. Two good pen shouts turned down, surprise, surprise. Downsides were Foden on Left, did nothing, KDB not controlling the midfield and Haaland isolated and not involved. Big plus points today were Cancelo, good attacking threat, Grealish, really looked like he meant business, Walker and both cbs. Gutted they beat us, but a Spurs win tomorrow and we beat Spurs and everything looking good again.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

Having looked at that offside goal a few times now. It started with abysmal play from Grealish then Silva then Cancelo all lazily failing to even try and stop Wan Bissake . Then Ake and Rodri are in the middle of nowhere. Casemiro loses his nearest man (Haaland) , Akanji has already lost Rashford and Walker has lost Fernandes ,they have Garnacho over on the left Yes it was offside but the ease with which in 2 passes they went like a knife through the team was disgraceful.

And in one paragraph that basically sums us up at the moment. The players are not focused enough, not working hard enough and are completely lacking leadership on the pitch.

 

[OB1]

We don’t know that. Many occasions the ref was holding his ear piece…maybe taking instructions.

I reckon VAR did over rule the linesman’s flag…

Whats clear is we need to understand why it was given and what role VAR did or didn’t play in it…..VAR was introduced for precisely this reason so if it wasn’t used, why not? If it was, then why did they change the linesmans decision?

Apparently Dermot Gallagher has confirmed that VAR did not get involved.

 

[Mariosfireworks]

Ah, the fanny wipe comment. Bingo. The refs we're shit but they didn't stop us from passing the ball forward and having one shot on target all game.

The fanny wipe seems to be the go to insult if people dare to admit we are not at the races this season ha ha

 

[FantasyIreland]

Can't remember who said it, think it was Clough but I stand to be corrected
"If he isn't interfering with play, what's he doing on the pitch!"

exactly

 

[oakiecokie]

We aren't what we were, not even close atm. Need to return to a well oiled passing, scoring machine.

Perhaps an influx of new players is waiting. Some of these current players do not look the part and maybe Peps feeling the heat also.

 

[ShedDweller]

For those people that need a fact check on the offside law.

Here it is from the FA website...

I've highlighted just the 5 clauses which should have been penalised in todays incident.



1. Offside position
It is not an offence to be in an offside position.

A player is in an offside position if:

• any part of the head, body or feet is in the opponents’ half (excluding the halfway line) and
• any part of the head, body or feet is nearer to the opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the second-last opponent

The hands and arms of all players, including the goalkeepers, are not considered. For the purposes of determining offside, the upper boundary of the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit.
A player is not in an offside position if level with the:

• second-last opponent or
• last two opponents

2. Offside offence
A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:

• interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
• interfering with an opponent by:
  • preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
  • challenging an opponent for the ball or
  • clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
  • making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball

or

• gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has:
  • rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent
  • been deliberately saved by any opponent

A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent.
A ‘save’ is when a player stops, or attempts to stop, a ball which is going into or very close to the goal with any part of the body except the hands/arms (unless the goalkeeper within the penalty area).

In situations where:

• a player moving from, or standing in, an offside position is in the way of an opponent and interferes with the movement of the opponent towards the ball this is an offside offence if it impacts on the ability of the opponent to play or challenge for the ball; if the player moves into the way of an opponent and impedes the opponent's progress (e.g blocks the opponent) the offence should be penalised under Law 12
• a player in an offside position is moving towards the ball with the intention of playing the ball and is fouled before playing or attempting to play the ball, or challenging an opponent for the ball, the foul is penalised as it has occurred before the offside offence
• an offence is committed against a player in an offside position who is already playing or attempting to play the ball, or challenging an opponent for the ball, the offside offence is penalised as it has occurred before the foul challenge

*The first point of contact of the 'play' or 'touch' of the ball should be used
3. No offence
There is no offside offence if a player receives the ball directly from:

• a goal kick
• a throw-in
• a corner kick

4. Offences and sanctions
If an offside offence occurs, the referee awards an indirect free kick where the offence occurred, including if it is in the player’s own half of the field of play.

A defending player who leaves the field of play without the referee’s permission shall be considered to be on the goal line or touchline for the purposes of offside until the next stoppage in play or until the defending team has played the ball towards the halfway line and it is outside its penalty area. If the player left the field of play deliberately, the player must be cautioned when the ball is next out of play.

An attacking player may step or stay off the field of play not to be involved in active play. If the player re-enters from the goal line and becomes involved in play before the next stoppage in play, or the defending team has played the ball towards the halfway line and it is outside its penalty area, the player shall be considered to be positioned on the goal line for the purposes of offside. A player who deliberately leaves the field of play and re-enters without the referee’s permission and is not penalised for offside and gains an advantage, must be cautioned.

If an attacking player remains stationary between the goalposts and inside the goal as the ball enters the goal, a goal must be awarded unless the player commits an offside offence or Law 12 offence in which case play is restarted with an indirect or direct free kick.

 

[zandvoort blue]

Apparently Dermot Gallagher has confirmed that VAR did not get involved.

Well that makes Attwell look a complete fool, and VAR not fit for purpose.

 

[Blue and still suffering]

First half was poor by both teams, but they had a few chances due to our errors. Second half, much much better and it started to feel like City of old. Bad call from ref/var for their first goal and then we lost a bit of composure. Two good pen shouts turned down, surprise, surprise. Downsides were Foden on Left, did nothing, KDB not controlling the midfield and Haaland isolated and not involved. Big plus points today were Cancelo, good attacking threat, Grealish, really looked like he meant business, Walker and both cbs. Gutted they beat us, but a Spurs win tomorrow and we beat Spurs and everything looking good again.

Spot on!

 

[skillman]

He was not interfering as its interpreted in the new rules,it was a legitimate goal.

Those of us who are old skool and see offside as offside,and anyone who is on the pitch is classed as interferring,are either gonna have to accept this new bollocks or find a different past time.

Defenders are just gonna have to take it all into account and keep defending until any danger has passed.

It fucking stinks but that is the law.

How can Akanji do his defending if an offside player is in front of him? Do he wipe him out and give a foul away?