United thread 2013/14

[chesterbells]

i allways said they will chuck the game on wed a cup final with city will do them more harm than good and they really dont need a word audience in eating humble pie, watch this space

My thoughts too

 

[ancoats]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arlahhhk9mg[/youtube]

THE JAM Funeral Pyre

Down in amongst the streets tonight
Books will burn, people laugh and cry in their turmoil
(Turmoil turns rejoiceful)
Shed your fears and lose your guilt
Tonight we burn responsibility in the fire
We'll watch the flames grow higher!
But if you get too burnt, you can't come back home
And as I was standing by the edge
I could see the faces of those led pissing themselves laughing
(And the flames grew)
Their mad eyes bulged their flushed faces said
The weak get crushed as the strong grow stronger
We feast on flesh and drink on blood
Live by fear and despise love in a crises
(What with today's high prices)
Bring some paper and bring some wood
Bring what's left of all your love for the fire
We'll watch the flames grow higher!
But if you get too burnt - you can't come back home
And as I was standing by the edge
I could see the faces of those led pissing themselves laughing
(And the flames grew)
Their mad eyes bulged their flushed faces said
The weak get crushed as the strong grow stronger
In the funeral pyre
We'll watch the flames grow higher
But if you get too burnt - you can't come back home
(Well I feel so old, when I feel so young
Well I just can't grow up to meet the demands)

 

[bluethrunthru]

Do you think all united fans actually want their team to go through on Wed against Sunderland?
I haven't been on any of their forums but I'd guess there's a few who don't fancy the thought of a final against us one little bit.

I think an awful lot of them would prefer the ignominy of going out to Sunderland that being gang raped by us at Wembley ......... to be honest an awful lot of them are feraful the Baby Faced Old Boy is coming to get them and Wee Davey at the swamp next - I do hopes so as that would be fucking hilarious !!!

 

[2sheikhs]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...t-a-period-of-transition-at-Old-Trafford.html

Now bear in mind this is Ferguson's ghost writer and United apologist extraordinaire Paul Hayward writing this article...oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

By Paul Hayward, Chief Sports Writer at Stamford Bridge8:33PM GMT 19 Jan 2014
You can argue all you like about the ability of David Moyes, but it is crystal clear that his squad need rebuilding from top to bottom

The last time Manchester United surrendered the Premier League title was with almost the last kick of the 2011-2012 campaign.

This time the crown fell from their grip on Jan 19. They creep now into football’s off-Broadway production: the desperate race for fourth.

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It is all receding for United and David Moyes: the title, a Champions League place and the evolutionary principle laid down by Sir Alex Ferguson.

The FA Cup has gone too, at the third-round stage. Wednesday night brings a League Cup semi-final second leg, with United trailing Sunderland 2-1.

Failure to overcome that deficit would deprive them of a daunting Wembley final against Manchester City, who lead West Ham United 6-0.

This is not turbulence. This is about starting all over again.

The idea that United would pass like a well-kept Rolls-Royce from Ferguson to Moyes is now not worth even debating.

The most successful club of the past 20 years are not undergoing adjustment difficulties.

The removal of Ferguson’s managerial genius has exposed the team and the owners – the Glazer family – to merciless scrutiny.

There is no need to complicate what we see: too few players who can match the quality on show at City, Chelsea, Arsenal and increasingly Liverpool, who are six points clear of United in the fourth Champions League place.

City have scored 63 league goals to United’s 36.

Moyes’s men have the fewest points at this point in the calendar of any United team since the Premier League brought Year Zero to the English game.

City, on the other hand, have reached 100 goals in all competitions faster than any team since the league’s inception.

There is more. When Chelsea needed to replace the veteran (Samuel Eto’o) who forced a hat-trick past United’s disjointed defence they sent on Fernando Torres, a £50million striker.

When Jose Mourinho wanted to shut the game down he took the wrapping off Nemanja Matic, re-bought last week for £21million.

At City and Arsenal, too, the bench hums with talent.

In the absence of Wayne Rooney and Robin van Persie – which would be grievous for any manager, any club – there is simply not the depth of talent in United’s squad to compensate for the upheaval of Ferguson standing down and Moyes needing time fully to appreciate United’s attacking tradition.

Confining the analysis to this 3-1 defeat, you would say United’s back four are not functioning as a single entity and are vulnerable to both pace and set-piece play.

In front of a fragile centre-back pairing Phil Jones often appears tactically confused and is not exerting any appreciable grip in the defensive midfield area, which places more strain on Michael Carrick.

On the right Antonio Valencia is combative but lacks a gift for the unexpected.

Ashley Young, meanwhile, contributes in flashes but is not consistently threatening, while Danny Welbeck is a level down from Rooney and Van Persie.

When an 18-year-old (Adnan Januzaj) is your lone conjurer the time has come to acknowledge a creativity deficit, especially when Shinji Kagawa, an unused substitute here, is not trusted against a Chelsea midfield which grew in number as the afternoon wore on.

Without their two top-class strikers, United are trying to close the gap on Arsenal and City with their most mediocre midfield in decades and two full-backs who invite opposition attacks.

There was one final indignity to come, even after Nemanja Vidic had been sent off for a foul that deserved no more than a caution, and Rafael had escaped a red card despite flying in on Gary Cahill with both feet off the ground.

What could possibly turn this Sunday afternoon in London from bad to unbearable?

Sympathy from Mourinho, is the answer.

In a faintly syrupy voice, Chelsea’s manager pointed out how well United had played for the first 20 minutes and said he “hoped” Moyes’s men would see off all comers in the race for the final Champions League spot.

No matter. United have long since passed the point where wagon circling and siege mentalities can hide the truth about the squad at their disposal.

Moyes has had a searchlight trained on his suitability for the job from the moment a drop in intensity in the side became apparent in his first weeks in charge.

That light will intensify as statistics are used like weapons against him. Example: in 48 away games as a manager Moyes has not beaten Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool or United.

This kind of fact can assume an importance way out of proportion to its usefulness.

If his coaching zone sometimes lacks a clear voice and consistent direction – Steve Round appears for a while, then Phil Neville jumps up while Moyes sits down and contemplates – conclusions cannot be drawn until the new manager has had his chance to rebuild the squad.

Reconstruction is a collective duty, all the way up to the Glazers, who are now at the end of their extended break from fan disquiet.

Anger over United’s corporate debt is bound to flow their way again.

And supporters will not let them hide behind the interest they displayed in Gareth Bale, Cristiano Ronaldo and Cesc Fabregas last summer.

The point is that it all came to nought, while City bought well, Liverpool improved, Chelsea reclaimed Mourinho and Arsène Wenger’s jam tomorrow became jam today.

A combination of those factors has hit United with empire-shaking force.

The Moyes debate is subjective. The discussion about the players is not.

We saw at Chelsea an undeniable manpower shortage in a squad that stood at the pinnacle only 10 months ago.

But they have the financial might, the tradition and the know-how to treat this as a golden chance to start again.

The cost will be eye-watering.

It wasn't a well kept Rolls Royce. It was a fucked up Mondeo that the GPC got through the MOT by the skin of it's teeth. Moyes has been given a ringer, cut and shut and the engine is totally bummed.

 

[davymcfc]

Do you think all united fans actually want their team to go through on Wed against Sunderland?
I haven't been on any of their forums but I'd guess there's a few who don't fancy the thought of a final against us one little bit.

I think an awful lot of them would prefer the ignominy of going out to Sunderland that being gang raped by us at Wembley ......... to be honest an awful lot of them are feraful the Baby Faced Old Boy is coming to get them and Wee Davey at the swamp next - I do hopes so as that would be fucking hilarious !!!

One that I work with (who has been very quiet lately) said they might as well field a weakened team in the second leg because they will get twatted by city in the final. His words not mine.

 

[Bluesince1979]

A pal of mine is a red and he told me most reds don't want go through. He said no one will admit that but that's the way they are thinking between themselves.

 

[lefty goldblatt]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...t-a-period-of-transition-at-Old-Trafford.html

Now bear in mind this is Ferguson's ghost writer and United apologist extraordinaire Paul Hayward writing this article...oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

Brilliant, i want that dog.

So does Marc Almo.. (the rest of this text has been removed etc, etc)

 

[ManCitizens.]

bazalini
The Baz Man - He made us laugh 2000 - 2012
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In light of the way we are playing since Moyes took over - when do fans say enough is enough and start supporting other clubs?

At Christmas there, I had a choice of buying a Manchester Utd home jersey against the Arsenal home jersey for my youngest child. Of course I bought the United jersey as I am a T0p Red and have no problem with my children supporting a team of over priced second rate players on massive salaries. But that is for now - but how long can people go building up false hope and lying to children?

 

[marco]

i allways said they will chuck the game on wed a cup final with city will do them more harm than good and they really dont need a word audience in eating humble pie, watch this space

Firstly, hold the "your a rag" shite comments, but everyone seems to think ow if we get united in the final we'll smash them... at the end of the day its another game against united, they'll be bang up for it so don't imagine it would be the walk over some of you lads recon..

Although i would of course fancy ourselves, and it would be lovely to beat them for the second time this year before we've even gone to the swamp!

yes of course your correct wigan springs to mind it was a matter of turning up, but my post reflects on mufc not us or me as an individual, my guess is they dont want it or have the stomach for it

 

[Churchill123]

i allways said they will chuck the game on wed a cup final with city will do them more harm than good and they really dont need a word audience in eating humble pie, watch this space

Firstly, hold the "your a rag" shite comments, but everyone seems to think ow if we get united in the final we'll smash them... at the end of the day its another game against united, they'll be bang up for it so don't imagine it would be the walk over some of you lads recon..

Although i would of course fancy ourselves, and it would be lovely to beat them for the second time this year before we've even gone to the swamp!

yes of course your correct wigan springs to mind it was a matter of turning up, but my post reflects on mufc not us or me as an individual, my guess is they dont want it or have the stomach for it

Reading some of the posts from lads who work/know rags and the comments they have made, such as fielding weakened squads just so they don't have to face us, well its hillarious, and incredibly flattering too! - The tide is turning... some may even say the tide has turned..