United Thread 2014/15 (continued)

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Right I`m not that bothered United went out of the cup last night .
The facts are they should have gone out the last round to Preston .
Anyway what have we got to gloat about we lost to Newcastle and Middlesbrough in the cups .

We're Champions of England and off to the Nou Camp, and they're scrapping about looking like they'll get the Europa League at best and have a trip to ScouseLand coming up.

That's pretty gloat worthy.

The absolute best one though, to me anyway the absolutely most satisfying one, is that they are the architects of their own failure. They don't understand that the Ferguson reign stopped them from developing into a modern football organisation as everybody else did. Now they are at a point where they need a complete rebuild. Instead they put their accountant in charge of the company whose only real experience of football is by giving the manager free reign and watching the trophies roll in. So instead of creating long term structures that will sustain their footballing side over the next 20 years, they are looking for the next Ferguson and buying anybody that seems quite good on FIFA. Their adherence to the myth of Manchester United is essentially causing the downfall of Manchester United.

This assessment is spot on. Following their success; owners, management, players (current and ex) as well as supporters started to believe the same rules of football, and logic it should be said, didn't apply to their club, in the way it did to everyone else.

All of them convinced each other, and themselves, that there was this absurd, mythical concept called "the united way"; which contained some secret, magic quality which would obliterate all in its path as a matter of routine. Rather than sense the shifting sands beneath their feet which Abramovich and Manour presented, and using their power and incredible resources to make the required structural changes to meet that challenge, instead, puffed up with vanity and pride, they assumed their particular way of doing business would prevail, as it had for the previous two decades, if they just carried on doing what they'd done before.

Half a decade ago, to virtually any united fan, the notion of City being a bigger footballing power at any point in time, never mind within under a decade, was so inconceivable that they could do nothing but mock and sneer at the suggestion.

But that is where they now find themselves facing. The fact that, without any shadow of a doubt, significant numbers of their support still refuse to countenance such an outcome merely serves to demonstrate how far, and how deep, the arrogance, delusion and complete absence of any form of objective thought subsists within many of their fans.

They're not going away, regrettably, but in relative terms, their supporters are in for an 'orrible few years imo. There are big structural issues at that club that will take several years to resolve. When they eventually do, the way they look at us will have changed even further than it has since 2008. Anyone who has thought about this properly, united fans included, will know this to be true. I wonder if there's been a bigger change in football, in terms of a relationship between supporters, than that of City and united fans in recent seasons. This will change even further in the next few years, whatever united fans try to tell themselves to the contrary.

Thank you Sheikh Mansour.

 

[Vienna_70]

Right I`m not that bothered United went out of the cup last night .
The facts are they should have gone out the last round to Preston .
Anyway what have we got to gloat about we lost to Newcastle and Middlesbrough in the cups .

We're Champions of England and off to the Nou Camp, and they're scrapping about looking like they'll get the Europa League at best and have a trip to ScouseLand coming up.

That's pretty gloat worthy.

The absolute best one though, to me anyway the absolutely most satisfying one, is that they are the architects of their own failure. They don't understand that the Ferguson reign stopped them from developing into a modern football organisation as everybody else did. Now they are at a point where they need a complete rebuild. Instead they put their accountant in charge of the company whose only real experience of football is by giving the manager free reign and watching the trophies roll in. So instead of creating long term structures that will sustain their footballing side over the next 20 years, they are looking for the next Ferguson and buying anybody that seems quite good on FIFA. Their adherence to the myth of Manchester United is essentially causing the downfall of Manchester United.

This assessment is spot on. Following their success; owners, management, players (current and ex) as well as supporters started to believe the same rules of football, and logic it should be said, didn't apply to their club, in the way it did to everyone else.

All of them convinced each other, and themselves, that there was this absurd, mythical concept called "the united way"; which contained some secret, magic quality which would obliterate all in its path as a matter of routine. Rather than sense the shifting sands beneath their feet which Abramovich and Manour presented, and using their power and incredible resources to make the required structural changes to meet that challenge, instead, puffed up with vanity and pride, they assumed their particular way of doing business would prevail, as it had for the previous two decades, if they just carried on doing what they'd done before.

Half a decade ago, to virtually any united fan, the notion of City being a bigger footballing power at any point in time, never mind within under a decade, was so inconceivable that they could do nothing but mock and sneer at the suggestion.

But that is where they now find themselves facing. The fact that, without any shadow of a doubt, significant numbers of their support still refuse to countenance such an outcome merely serves to demonstrate how far, and how deep, the arrogance, delusion and complete absence of any form of objective thought subsists within many of their fans.

They're not going away, regrettably, but in relative terms, their supporters are in for an 'orrible few years imo. There are big structural issues at that club that will take several years to resolve. When they eventually do, the way they look at us will have changed even further than it has since 2008. Anyone who has thought about this properly, united fans included, will know this to be true. I wonder if there's been a bigger change in football, in terms of a relationship between supporters, than that of City and united fans in recent seasons. This will change even further in the next few years, whatever united fans try to tell themselves to the contrary.

Thank you Sheikh Mansour.

Amen to that, GDM.

 

[mscenterh750]

So did spurs u21 beat the bastards?.

 

[squirtyflower]

So did spurs u21 beat the bastards?.

1-1

 

[jimharri]

So did spurs u21 beat the bastards?.

1-1.
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[manimanc]

So did spurs u21 beat the bastards?.

Post of the day...

 

[baildon blue]

oh wow Falcao playing for U21s tonight!

I actually pity him now. No matter how much he's lost, no way should he be playing for anyone's reserves.

Whatever their faults, he and ADM have way too much ability to play this poorly. TT is a terrible manager. If they had come to City, Pellegrini would play them correctly and they'd be playing well. Shame they chose money over a bigger club.

Why should you pity Falcao .
Him and his agent have done really well out of Manchester United !!!

 

[tommo74]

Taken from bbc sport website, so they have had no investment then since the turtle took over?

In Van Gaal's defence, it would have been unrealistic to expect him to finish above Chelsea and Manchester City, given their level of investment and his own need to rebuild - but missing out on the Champions League now would be a devastating blow

 

[Vienna_70]

oh wow Falcao playing for U21s tonight!

I actually pity him now. No matter how much he's lost, no way should he be playing for anyone's reserves.

Whatever their faults, he and ADM have way too much ability to play this poorly. TT is a terrible manager. If they had come to City, Pellegrini would play them correctly and they'd be playing well. Shame they chose money over a bigger club.

Why should you pity Falcao .
Him and his agent have done really well out of Manchester United !!!

I don't pity him at all.

He (and his agent) were happy enough to take the rag dollar, or £300k/week, so he has to put up with the consequences of his greed.

Fuck him!

 

[RandomJ]

£300k a week to play in the U21's. Only the rags.