United Thread 2015/16

[manimanc]

Oh they are the biggest hypocrites and bullies in football, no doubt. That's why they don't like city being better: most of them signed up for a life of glory and gloating, with City as their perennial stooge. And I certainly don't want to be seen to be standing up for them, so I will refrain from pointing out the obvious with regards to ground capacities.

Your 1st four lines sums them up in a nutshell.

 

[laserblue]

It's funny that City fans accuse United fans of droning on about the Munich Air disaster, yet you guys post about it 20 times a day!

WAGS in an abbreviation of wives and girlfriends. The Busby Babes were young boys, so Duncan Edwards, Eddie Coleman, David Pegg, Tommy Taylor and Billy Whelan weren't married. So including their girlfriends only gives gravity to your repetitive tale. Although, the context of those times is gleefully avoided by many on here.

There was nothing unique about the harsh way that the Munich survivors were treated. This was a time of austerity in professional football, when players received an absurdly low maximum wage (little above skilled manual earnings) and had their contract terms dictated by the clubs.

Furthermore, in wider society, there was no compensation culture, no requirement to parade emotions in public. After two world wars, the victims of trauma were expected to show resilience, not indulge in blaming others.

It is ridiculous to impose modern values and the riches of the Premiership era on the late Fifties.

This post could have been written by the revisionist propaganda department at the swamp. He's a typical rag who has at best a patchy knowledge of his own club's history coupled with a selective memory.

For a start he can't even spell Eddie Colman's name correctly and Tommy Taylor was 26 so hardly "a young boy".

The whole point is that the way the Munich survivors were treated WAS unique. The club had deliberately underinsured the players as a cost saving exercise for a start. What do the maximum wage, contract terms and austerity got to do with anything? Jackie Blanchflower and Johnny Berry were two badly injured survivors among those evicted from club houses and Berry was fired by letter. Only captain Roger Byrne's family was exempted from eviction. On the 10th anniversary of the disaster Mark Jones's widow and son received complimentary tickets for a game. His son said that was the only time the club had contacted them since 1958 and disdained the petty and insulting offer of a couple of tickets 10 years after the event.

In 1998, after the club combined the 40th anniversary Munich benefit match for the families with Cantona's farewell match and then paid him £90,000 in 'expenses' out of the benefit fund, Ray Wood's wife said "We just want the club to give us some dignity Offer some recognition to those who died, who gave their lives for Manchester United and gave birth to a legend. What the plc is doing is immoral, leaving us just as rubbish, simple vermin....Suddenly, the game has become the Eric Cantona roadshow while the survivors are like dancing bears at a circus. I saw those terrible scenes in hospital after the crash. I stayed at Ray's bedside for eight weeks and I was there when Duncan Edwards died....The airline flew us out to Munich and gave us daily expenses. Even my local priest offered help - but there was nothing from United."

At a dinner in 1998 Bobby Charlton was giving a speech in which he said not a day goes by that he doesn't think of his friends who died at Munich when Harry Gregg shouted down the table "Then why the fuck haven't you done anything for them all these years?" (At that time Charlton had been a director at United for 14 years).

There are plenty of other stories about the gobshite way the club treated other survivors including Albert Scanlon and Kenny Morgans.

Your vile club has cynically and relentlessly milked this tragedy for naked commercial gain for 58 years. Even for the 50th anniversary derby it was agreed that both teams and their mascots would turn out in plain 1958 style shirts with no sponsor's name. What did the rags do? They sent their mascots out in full AIG kit. They also plastered an AIG logo on the official 50th anniversary banner.

And you think all this is somehow normal or excusable.

 

[Ricster]

So they did what exactly for the families in the 60,s 70,s 80,s 90,,s then ? Or did it take harry Gregg to have a go at Charlton and cantona to fill his pockets for something to happen ?

Oh I know, I know. They did nothing but profiteer on the back of a disaster and the players that died. The families still got nothing.

Am I right, am I?

 

[laserblue]

If you ignore capacities and consider actual bums on seats then, should the 34,500 Ipswich attendance be believed (and I'm not saying I'm 100% convinced) then they don't fare too much better than we do. For Sheffield Wednesday in the same round, of the same cup, last season we had an attendance of 32,346. When we played them again in the FA a couple of months later we had 44,000 there, and 44,000 attended again when we played Boro in the next round (albeit these last two were weekend games so attendances should be expected to be higher than for midweek). Given United's huge fanbase, and the fact no-one ever seems capable of getting a ticket to a match when questioned as to why they don't go, surely they should be getting substantially more people turning up to watch them than the side down the road who they constantly lambast for having no fans and a half empty stadium?

A useful comparison are the League Cup attendances v Newcastle. 2012-13 Rags v Newcastle attendance 33,409 (GMP verified). 2014-15 City v Newcastle 40,752.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

It's funny that City fans accuse United fans of droning on about the Munich Air disaster, yet you guys post about it 20 times a day!

WAGS in an abbreviation of wives and girlfriends. The Busby Babes were young boys, so Duncan Edwards, Eddie Coleman, David Pegg, Tommy Taylor and Billy Whelan weren't married. So including their girlfriends only gives gravity to your repetitive tale. Although, the context of those times is gleefully avoided by many on here.

There was nothing unique about the harsh way that the Munich survivors were treated. This was a time of austerity in professional football, when players received an absurdly low maximum wage (little above skilled manual earnings) and had their contract terms dictated by the clubs.

Furthermore, in wider society, there was no compensation culture, no requirement to parade emotions in public. After two world wars, the victims of trauma were expected to show resilience, not indulge in blaming others.

It is ridiculous to impose modern values and the riches of the Premiership era on the late Fifties.

The points you advance are not without any merit, but you conspicuously miss the point that most rankles with City fans and that is the absurd and pompous way that so many people associated with your club pontificate, to the point of utter fucking tedium, about its 'specialnesss' and 'class', as if it is somehow more worthy than other clubs. It is not. It is, and always was a deeply flawed institution, much as City has been throughout its history. In this sense, united supporters and management alike, you mirror the very thing you so forcefully claim to despise the most - Liverpool Football Club and its fans.

As City fans, we are well aware of our club's many shortcomings and (in the main) are able to take the piss out of ourselves for it. This is a quality that is manifestly lacking in most united fans, not least because they are so ill-informed about the less palatable parts of your club's history. Quite recently a poster on rag café enquired why Charlton was referred to on here as the 'ticket tout'. Such lack of knowledge is not consistent with someone who has any self-awareness about their own club, or has taken the time to independently read up on the subject.

The primary reason for this pitiful lack of knowledge about the wider history of united among such a large proportion of its support is the club itself which, it should be said, is supremely good at managing its image within the media.

It's unfortunate for you that over the last generation, as a club, you seemed to have attracted so many gullible fools who are only too willing to swallow such bollocks.

The united way is a lie, a myth and a con. Anyone who ever believed that crap, as so many of your supporters did and still do, is a fool and deserves nothing but contempt.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Correct mate, there foundations are like fucking quick sand, they cant be seen to be on the wane attendance wise as 99% of there fan base would jump ship to support another team if it became public knowledge that they are in fact fucking well and truly past it .

DD , its just a case of pointing it out to the cunts that they are not what they think they are.

Hey mate, don't misunderstand me.Ripping the piss out of that plastic Disney club is always merited, the way they conduct themselves. And them becoming the shit of Manchester is a pleasant by product of us becoming the Pride of the city.

I just think some are taking them on about the one thing they can cling to in their demise.

 

[manimanc]

have you seen the bluemoon thread on sadcafe?
jesus wept there`s one poster on there who obviously lives on this thread and then puts all our posts on there.
he`s prolific I`ll give him that.....also a bit of a weird **** if you ask me..
just one question.......why??

 

[aguero93:20]

have you seen the bluemoon thread on sadcafe?
jesus wept there`s one poster on there who obviously lives on this thread and then puts all our posts on there.
he`s prolific I`ll give him that.....also a bit of a weird **** if you ask me..
just one question.......why??

Because he's a sad, sad ****.

 

[flb]

Hey mate, don't misunderstand me.Ripping the piss out of that plastic Disney club is always merited, the way they conduct themselves. And them becoming the shit of Manchester is a pleasant by product of us becoming the Pride of the city.

I just think some are taking them on about the one thing they can cling to in their demise.

I NEVER understimate how much you hate the cunts fella,you are old school just like I am and hundreds of over 35's on here feel the same way about them.

Its like when they went down in 74, all you heard after that was how big there fucking crowds were in the second division, as you say they are like flies round a freshly laid dog shit, let them gulp and feed on it as we are the best team in Manchester , and will be for the foreseeable future.

 

[shallyman]

The points you advance are not without any merit, but you conspicuously miss the point that most rankles with City fans and that is the absurd and pompous way that so many people associated with your club pontificate, to the point of utter fucking tedium, about its 'specialnesss' and 'class', as if it is somehow more worthy than other clubs. It is not. It is, and always was a deeply flawed institution, much as City has been throughout its history. In this sense, united supporters and management alike, you mirror the very thing you so forcefully claim to despise the most - Liverpool Football Club and its fans.

As City fans, we are well aware of our club's many shortcomings and (in the main) are able to take the piss out of ourselves for it. This is a quality that is manifestly lacking in most united fans, not least because they are so ill-informed about the less palatable parts of your club's history. Quite recently a poster on rag café enquired why Charlton was referred to on here as the 'ticket tout'. Such lack of knowledge is not consistent with someone who has any self-awareness about their own club, or has taken the time to independently read up on the subject.

The primary reason for this pitiful lack of knowledge about the wider history of united among such a large proportion of its support is the club itself which, it should be said, is supremely good at managing its image within the media.

It's unfortunate for you that over the last generation, as a club, you seemed to have attracted so many gullible fools who are only too willing to swallow such bollocks.

The united way is a lie, a myth and a con. Anyone who ever believed that crap, as so many of your supporters did and still do, is a fool and deserves nothing but contempt.

So what you are saying is that you hate the image that 'United' has of itself, and instead of aspiring to maintain and portray that image, 'United' as a club and fans should all drone on about a former chairman selling dodgy meat and turfing Munich survivors out of homes. Yeah, that would be a really beneficial and worthwhile exercise. Let's drag up every bad that's happened in the last 100 years and wear it like a badge!! Can you name any club or organisation that would do such a thing?

And if your club is so holier than thou, why don't you denounce human rights abuses in UAE, or is that too much of a taboo subject? Buying and selling women like pieces of meat, human trafficking, stoning, flogging, freedom of speech, freedom of movement, freedom to marry, freedom to be gay, apostasy, rape, torture...I suppose you don't care how dirty the hands are that give you the money, as long as they keep on filling the coffers.

Your current owners combined with Thaksin Shinawatra have so many skeletons in the closet, they are tantamount to bond villains.