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chedinho said:
the season we were relegated on the last day v luton,it was being discussed in the utd road paddock,who was going to be the "derby game".

they decided that because they hated scousers anyway,it would make sense.they even ramped it up during that seasons home game.

along came sky and ramped it up even more,although it seems to be going a bit flat now,i had to remind a few,that it was big game week a few weeks ago.
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Let's not forget how many united fans were in the Luton end at Maine Road that day, even though their team was playing that same day and was placed to finish second in the First Division over the course of that final weekend if the results went their way. Their unhealthy obsession with City is nothing new. Nor are their denials about its existence.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Let's not forget how many united fans were in the Luton end at Maine Road that day, even though their team was playing that same day and was placed to finish second in the First Division over the course of that final weekend if the results went their way. Their unhealthy obsession with City is nothing new. Nor are their denials about its existence.
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I've always got on with City. There was no real antagonism between us though once you could challenge the rivalry naturally inyensified about 4 or 5 years back. We look on you as 'our kid'. Liverpool now that's a different matter.
 
Yeah - enough of this r
Dreadzone said:
Please. This very informative debate is doing my head in....We are now the biggest scalp. They don't like it cuz we're NOT going away anytime soon...So can we please get this thread back on track.....
SCUM!
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Yeah - please enough of this rivalry stuff - it was worth a few pages but is getting really boring and surely it is not that important to us. What the position was decades ago can vary based on people's memories (and points they are seeking to make). More important is the coming decades and the scum will become increasingly less of a relevance to us and our rivalry (in terms of which matches are most important) will be with other teams in the PL and in Europe.

Yes long standing fans should always utterly loath them - they are odious - but lets stop giving them more notice than they deserve or are worth.
 
CTID1988 said:
This is a quote from the govan pisscans new book "Leading". On demanding his salary was doubled after Wayne Rooney's big pay increase in 2010: "I told them I did not think it fair that Rooney should earn twice what I made and Joel Glazer immediately said: 'I totally agree with you but what should we do?' It was simple. We just agreed that no player should be paid more than me."

So this means he was on over 300k a week?! Fuck me, i bet his local Oddbins was bare
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I've told this story before but I'll tell it again because that revelation put it into a new light. Rooney doubled his wage package that day in 2010 from 90k a week (whcih was their maximum salary) to 180k. He got that because other clubs were told he was available and one (not us) was definitely negotiating with the rags to buy him. The Glazers had initially refused to sanction an increase but this other club had put a contract on the table offering him £160k a week. Gill and Baconface then went back to the Glazers to tell them this and they reluctantly agreed to Rooney's demand for £180k in order to keep him.

At the time, my source reckoned it was all part of a clever scheme by Gill & Ferguson because the 90k limit was hurting their ability to recruit top class players (remember "no value in the market"?) and is probably the reason they couldn't sign Tevez. Now it seems that Baconface was also dipping his beak as well and got annoyed because a player was getting more than him so you have to wonder whether that was at least a part of the motivation for setting the whole thing up.

And Rooney is still on the same basic contract he signed in 2010. When he signed his new one, his agent insisted that he got a part of any commercial deals that the rags signed, subject to agreement that taking part in promotions or activities for these didn't take up excessive time and impact his performance. Sounds like Wazza is ignoring that part of the deal. Baconface, being a greedy bastard, is no doubt on the same deal.
 
CTID1988 said:
This is a quote from the govan pisscans new book "Leading". On demanding his salary was doubled after Wayne Rooney's big pay increase in 2010: "I told them I did not think it fair that Rooney should earn twice what I made and Joel Glazer immediately said: 'I totally agree with you but what should we do?' It was simple. We just agreed that no player should be paid more than me."

So this means he was on over 300k a week?! Fuck me, i bet his local Oddbins was bare
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Explains why he was always praising the Glazers as owners, when everyone could see they were shite. He didn't want to upset his nice little earner did he. Completely looking after his own interests, right till the end, installing an inept manager and even leaving the squad in a mess ensuring he went out on a high. Beautiful.
 
tony marshall said:
Last 5 years
2010-11- Man Utd
2011-12 Manchester City
2012-13 Man Utd
2013-14 Manchester City
2014-15 Chelsea

If we go back to last 10 years we are even further ahead.
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But the point is (and this is getting tiresome now) that what you did 10 years ago has absolutely no bearing on what you do in the future. As they say in the investment business, past performance is not a reliable indicator of future results, If you started a season with extra points depending on how many PL tittles you'd won then it might be relevant but we don't. You also had a remarkable manager who was given the chance to achieve what he did and rebuilt winning teams a few times. That won't happen again.
 
Of course he did not want to pay £35m for Aguero... if you are faced with the choice between that and paying Rooney £300k a week and buy v.Persie for £25m it is an easy choice to make no?

What an absolute pile of drunken rage bollocks
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
But the point is (and this is getting tiresome now) that what you did 10 years ago has absolutely no bearing on what you do in the future. As they say in the investment business, past performance is not a reliable indicator of future results, If you started a season with extra points depending on how many PL tittles you'd won then it might be relevant but we don't. You also had a remarkable manager who was given the chance to achieve what he did and rebuilt winning teams a few times. That won't happen again.
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They only have their history to cling onto these days, oh, and attendances. Can't forget the most important part of football, or at least the most important part since we became successful and everything else they had used to mock us went down the swanny.
They may well stay in and around the top 4 this year, quite frankly it doesn't matter if they do or don't as the difference in ourselves and them is like night and day. We are better all over the pitch bar the goalkeeper and there's only so many games he can pull them out of the shit.
We will win the league this year, them getting within 2 points of us, or even going above us due to how the fixtures fall will be a distant memory come May when the trophy is handed to us and they're left with fuck all again.
 
tony marshall said:
United have represented Manchester as the major force in football since the 1960s just as Liverpool fc represented that city. That in itself is no slight on either Everton or City but just a matter of historical truth. The shipping resentment certainly was brought up again and again and added to the antagonism, some Liverpudlians taking it far too seriously.The rivalry with Liverpool has died down in reality since the start of the premier league era but we tens to still give the scousers stick due to our history. Since 2008 the rivalry with City has become obviously more intense now , now that you've got the players to challenge for the title.
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You seem to be forgetting the 1970s when City were clearly the dominant team in Manchester.

- City won two trophies, including a European trophy to United's one.
- City finished above (and usually well above) United 6 times.
- City were runners up in the League once and were edged out in a four horse race on the last day another time while United never had the faintest sniff of the title.
- City appeared in European competition 4 times to United's once.
- United were relegated.

So please explain how United were the "major force in football" in Manchester during that time.
 
Blue Smarties said:
The old **** reckons he turned down signing Aguero for £35,000,000.
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I caught the piece of the interview they showed at Breakfast
red nose said that his teams always went out to win and NEVER went out not to get beat
First thing that came to mind..............

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He's still a lying fucker
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Let's not forget how many united fans were in the Luton end at Maine Road that day, even though their team was playing that same day and was placed to finish second in the First Division over the course of that final weekend if the results went their way. Their unhealthy obsession with City is nothing new. Nor are their denials about its existence.
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Can better that @gordondaviesmoustache remember the dark days of Div 2 & Div 3 & the occasional League Cup early round games at home to lower league teams, there would often be a significant number of Rags in the away section, their constant singing about us when we were at our lowest & this match attending obsession defies belief. I also think there became a level of jealousy of City for a lot of them, their club had overcome its obsession with finally winning a title after 26 years, winning was getting dull & over in Manchester they saw a club badly run, playing shite football but still attracting huge crowds of passionate fans that realised that football wasn't just about winning, whilst their club had become a business even dropping the word football club from its badge I seem to recall.
 
tony marshall said:
Last 5 years
2010-11- Man Utd
2011-12 Manchester City
2012-13 Man Utd
2013-14 Manchester City
2014-15 Chelsea

If we go back to last 10 years we are even further ahead.
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The relevance of the past on the present and the future is extremely limited. United's 2010-2011 title winning season, how much influence or impact do you suspect that will have on this season? Does it provide the club with any real sense of purpose? Look at it this way, you've got a different manager, different backroom staff and, of the 50 players registered that season with United there are 4 still currently on the books! FOUR! Rooney, Smalling, Carrick and Valencia.

Over the past 4 seasons City have finished in the top 2, so have either won the title, or been the closest challengers for the title. United have finished 2nd, 1st, 7th and 4th, with the worst 2 of those finishes, 7th and 4th, coming most recently. It shouldn't be forgotten that these recent poor finishes have come in the years subsequent to Ferguson leaving. It can't be underestimated the huge impact a departure such as that will have on anyone. He was at United since the mid 1980's, no-one associated with the club had had to deal with replacing the manager, his length of time at the club meant that the entire setup, from first team through to youth teams, coaching, facilities, everything, had been organised and shaped into what he wanted. To change all of that, after so much institutionalisation, was, and still is, a monumental task. Gill leaving at the same time simply compounded the situation. It's widely accepted that Ferguson's presence "papered over the cracks" at United. The title winning season of 2012-13 was almost entirely down to his skill as a manager. The squad he had wasn't the best in the Premier League, it was ageing and it lacked any real world class performers, yet they won the league with some room to spare. Ferguson leaves, Moyes comes in, and United fall apart. It's only been 2 years since Ferguson left yet United are unrecognisable from his time there. Football moves on stunningly quickly, looking back 5 years is probably looking too far back when considering what, if any, relevance it holds on the present day. Going back 10 years is absolutely pointless.
 
Matty said:
The relevance of the past on the present and the future is extremely limited. United's 2010-2011 title winning season, how much influence or impact do you suspect that will have on this season? Does it provide the club with any real sense of purpose? Look at it this way, you've got a different manager, different backroom staff and, of the 50 players registered that season with United there are 4 still currently on the books! FOUR! Rooney, Smalling, Carrick and Valencia.

Over the past 4 seasons City have finished in the top 2, so have either won the title, or been the closest challengers for the title. United have finished 2nd, 1st, 7th and 4th, with the worst 2 of those finishes, 7th and 4th, coming most recently. It shouldn't be forgotten that these recent poor finishes have come in the years subsequent to Ferguson leaving. It can't be underestimated the huge impact a departure such as that will have on anyone. He was at United since the mid 1980's, no-one associated with the club had had to deal with replacing the manager, his length of time at the club meant that the entire setup, from first team through to youth teams, coaching, facilities, everything, had been organised and shaped into what he wanted. To change all of that, after so much institutionalisation, was, and still is, a monumental task. Gill leaving at the same time simply compounded the situation. It's widely accepted that Ferguson's presence "papered over the cracks" at United. The title winning season of 2012-13 was almost entirely down to his skill as a manager. The squad he had wasn't the best in the Premier League, it was ageing and it lacked any real world class performers, yet they won the league with some room to spare. Ferguson leaves, Moyes comes in, and United fall apart. It's only been 2 years since Ferguson left yet United are unrecognisable from his time there. Football moves on stunningly quickly, looking back 5 years is probably looking too far back when considering what, if any, relevance it holds on the present day. Going back 10 years is absolutely pointless.
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Agree with a lot of this. Football at this level can change rapidly. We have won two of the last five titles and though in transition are well positioned to challenge this season. Next phase of rebuild will be the summer transfer season. After Van Gaal leaves we will have to see how the competition from yourselves, Chelsea and Arsenal pans out.
 
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