United Thread - 2021/22

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waspish said:
Isn’t 441m giving to ole backing the manager? Glazers are kunts but you can not say ole hasn’t been backed! It’s more to do with what the Glazers set as achievements!

We have them chelsea have them the rest don’t it’s top four getting far in champs leagues and cups!

I wonder when Pep goes if we get top four but win nowt we would do what Chelsea do get rid? Up to now we have had managers who have won trophies leagues.
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Backed for me is at minimum:
Start whomever you want.
Bench whomever you want.
Discipline whomever you want.
With no ownership pushback.

A step up from this and critical is at a minimum:
We'll do our very best to sign whomever you want.

And better still:
You're in charge of signings.

For me, Ole either doesn't tick one or more of the above (I doubt he has the requisite input on signings as it seems to me that signings have mostly been about attracting big name players). You mention a ton of money spent. Was that spent on the players he specifically wanted? Does he have veto over signings? Beats me - but I doubt it.

Ditto team discipline. Is it the case that superstars who feel out-of-sorts with the manager can simply fuck off? - or, rather, I think, the door to the owner's office is always open. Feel free to complain to ownership if you're a superstar and we'll set things straight.

Manager after manager have come and gone post Red Nose - and a ton of money has been spent. So both managers and players have changed. To no avail (though getting rid of Woodward - marketing genius but not in tune with the club's needs, focus only on making money - I think helped).

No, for me, it's ownership. Pick a good manager, back him in all ways, and give him 3 or 4 years to turn the mess around... if you care about winning. Otherwise, go with the financial/marketing guys - sign big name players who are popular and will lead to increased revenue - and above all, pursue advertising... because in Scum Land, it's all about making money.
 
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BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
Backed for me is at minimum:
Start whomever you want.
Bench whomever you want.
Discipline whomever you want.
With no ownership pushback.

A step up from this and critical is at a minimum:
We'll do our very best to sign whomever you want.

And better still:
You're in charge of signings.

For me, Ole either doesn't tick one or more of the above (I doubt he has the requisite input on signings as it seems to me that signings have mostly been about attracting big name players). You mention a ton of money spent. Was that spent on the players he specifically wanted? Does he have veto over signings? Beats me - but I doubt it.

Ditto team discipline. Is it the case that superstars who feel out-of-sorts with the manager can simply fuck off? - or, rather, I think, the door to the owner's office is always open. Feel free to complain to ownership if you're a superstar and we'll set things straight.

Manager after manager have come and gone post Red Nose - and a ton of money has been spent. So both managers and players have changed. To no avail (though getting rid of Woodward - marketing genius but not in tune with the club's needs, focus only on making money - I think helped).

No, for me, it's ownership. Pick a good manager, back him in all ways, and give him 3 or 4 years to turn the mess around.
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Haha backed at A Minimum pep win the league in his second season being backed with less money! Oh before ole the scum had spent 600m so they backed them all!
 
waspish said:
Isn’t 441m giving to ole backing the manager? Glazers are kunts but you can not say ole hasn’t been backed! It’s more to do with what the Glazers set as achievements!

We have them chelsea have them the rest don’t it’s top four getting far in champs leagues and cups!

I wonder when Pep goes if we get top four but win nowt we would do what Chelsea do get rid? Up to now we have had managers who have won trophies leagues.
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I quite like the Glazers, and they are doing a wonderful job.
long may they be the custodians of such a huge cash cow!
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
I don't have problems with Rashford's charity work but I believe he has turned into a "play-station" player, more famous for what he does on social media than on the pitch (the same as Pogba).
When he first arrived on the scene for England and United he looked an outstanding prospect but his career has gone backwards and may never recover. It is years since he had a good game against a quality team. He has suffered at the hands of poor coaching. He has no positional awareness on the field. Greenwood is going the same way.
In terms of career development for young players United must be one of the worst teams in Europe.
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I agree with this - neither of them are being coached in how the game works. They don't seem to be willing to drop into midfield when needed, and are ineffectual if they try. Rashford would have been a worldbeater if he'd been coached properly for the last 3-4 years, and was hampered last year by playing with a longterm shoulder injury,
 
its grim up north said:
Although I'm inclined to think given his attendance at the raggies academy since the age of 7, he was quite privileged. Talking shite about his lack of food, lack of reading material whilst having a top education.
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Pretty sure the rags didn't educate or feed their academy lads, in which case some of what is being said could well be true.
 
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