United Thread - 2022/23

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give it to gordon said:
Just seen the highlights I am totally confused about the off side rule.
Rashford was off side, on side, off side, on side when he scored. Thought if you came from an off side position you cant score.

I admit I havent a clue what is or isnt off side anymore
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It's subjective. Oh, and he wasn't offside by the letter of the law.

Oh, and what a load of old crap it all is.
 
halfcenturyup said:
It's subjective. Oh, and he wasn't offside by the letter of the law.

Oh, and what a load of old crap it all is.
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let's bring the letter of the law back to the match referee and how he sees it live ?
all these BOLLOCKS by VAR and it's subjective ? how can it be subjective if a team of officials is reviewing it under the letter of the law,

subjective is how you see it live, the referee gets one chance and one chance only,
 
halfcenturyup said:
When is the PL going to stop this remembrance thing for "Munich"? Seriously, enough already. It isn't even the right fucking day. They want to show their respects, they should go to the grave plot the club bought for the remains of those killed and lay a wreath there on the right day at the exact right time. Oh that's right. They didn't give a fuck about them then. It's almost as if it's more for the PR show than to those actually killed. Shock, horror. Private respectful ceremonies would mean something. This bullshit we all have to endure doesn't mean anything. Laying a wreath and then taking it away again. Wonderful.

Maybe someone should set up an actual respectful ceremony at the right time and place every year just to show this crap up for what it is. It was felt by all of Manchester after all.

And other clubs should tell them to shove it.

Rant over.
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"Alexa, can you tell me when the Munich memorial service is?"

"There will be a fan's memorial event on 6th February 2023 under the Munich Plaque, Old Trafford.

The service underneath the Munich Memorial Plaque at Old Trafford will begin at 14:40 GMT and will consist of poems and songs. The names of all those who lost their lives in the tragedy will be read out, prior to a one-minute silence at 15:04

In Munich, the Manchester Munich Memorial Foundation, led by Chairman Pat Burns, will also conduct their annual memorial service at Manchesterplatz.

Former Manchester United captain Bryan Robson and Head of Academy Nick Cox, who is a patron of the MMMF, will attend the service alongside senior leaders from the club. Robson will lay a wreath before the two-minute silence on behalf of everyone at Manchester United."
 
Mr Edward's shoe mirror said:
"Alexa, can you tell me when the Munich memorial service is?"

"There will be a fan's memorial event on 6th February 2023 under the Munich Plaque, Old Trafford.

The service underneath the Munich Memorial Plaque at Old Trafford will begin at 14:40 GMT and will consist of poems and songs. The names of all those who lost their lives in the tragedy will be read out, prior to a one-minute silence at 15:04

In Munich, the Manchester Munich Memorial Foundation, led by Chairman Pat Burns, will also conduct their annual memorial service at Manchesterplatz.

Former Manchester United captain Bryan Robson and Head of Academy Nick Cox, who is a patron of the MMMF, will attend the service alongside senior leaders from the club. Robson will lay a wreath before the two-minute silence on behalf of everyone at Manchester United."
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Good, then we can bin the pre-match bullshit.
 
halfcenturyup said:
When is the PL going to stop this remembrance thing for "Munich"? Seriously, enough already. It isn't even the right fucking day. They want to show their respects, they should go to the grave plot the club bought for the remains of those killed and lay a wreath there on the right day at the exact right time. Oh that's right. They didn't give a fuck about them then. It's almost as if it's more for the PR show than to those actually killed. Shock, horror. Private respectful ceremonies would mean something. This bullshit we all have to endure doesn't mean anything. Laying a wreath and then taking it away again. Wonderful.

Maybe someone should set up an actual respectful ceremony at the right time and place every year just to show this crap up for what it is. It was felt by all of Manchester after all.

And other clubs should tell them to shove it.

Rant over.
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The players who survived but were too badly injured to play at top level again were all sacked and, them and their families, kicked out of their club owned homes within 12 weeks of the disaster.
From playing for Utd to getting crippled in an horrific air crash while working for Utd, to sacked by Utd and thrown out onto the street with their wives and children in the space of 3 months.

All swept under the carpet but nevertheless the element that best reveals the character of the football club.
That’s the one part that they don’t milk for all it’s worth.
 
Djibrilshairdo said:
The BBC / MOTD have already analysed the incident to death and found a frame where fatface looks to be grabbing Hughes’ shirt. It has already been sent to Webb and co along with a full apology from City.
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There's another angle where cash-a-giro is actually helping him out with his shirt as it appears to be coming off. That's why VAR asked the ref to review it, the intention was to administer a punishment to the Fulham player for trying to take his top off. It's all a out interpretation and the ref got it wrong.
 
OccupiedPalestineBlues said:
The players who survived but were too badly injured to play at top level again were all sacked and, them and their families, kicked out of their club owned homes within 12 weeks of the disaster.
From playing for Utd to getting crippled in an horrific air crash while working for Utd, to sacked by Utd and thrown out onto the street with their wives and children in the space of 3 months.

All swept under the carpet but nevertheless the element that best reveals the character of the football club.
That’s the one part that they don’t milk for all it’s worth.
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This has been well documented in books and documentaries. In 1958, there was no money in football. Players were capped at £20 per week.

Furthermore at the time of the crash, nothing resembling a compensation culture existed in Britain. After two world wars, the British public wanted to see resilience from victims, and not perhaps entitlements (no matter how deserved the survivor’s claims were). United’s treatment of the survivors of Munich was not unique and it is unfair to apply modern day standards to the past.

This was echoed across many football clubs in the past. West Ham's treatment of Bobby Moore when he left the club and was diagnosed with cancer, or the FA's treatment of the 1966 world cup winning squad. Many of them ended up taking on normal jobs after leaving football. Only Jack Charlton and Alan Ball managed at the top level. Gordon Banks and Roger Hunt worked on the pools panel; Ray Wilson became an undertaker; George Cohen, struggling with cancer, didn't watch a football match for years. Even their manager, Sir Alf Ramsey, sacked at the age of just 53 - at least as much because of internal FA politics as because of the results on the pitch - never found a new role, despite being the only England manager to successfully win a World Cup.
 
Mr Edward's shoe mirror said:
This has been well documented in books and documentaries. In 1958, there was no money in football. Players were capped at £20 per week.

Furthermore at the time of the crash, nothing resembling a compensation culture existed in Britain. After two world wars, the British public wanted to see resilience from victims, and not perhaps entitlements (no matter how deserved the survivor’s claims were). United’s treatment of the survivors of Munich was not unique and it is unfair to apply modern day standards to the past.

This was echoed across many football clubs in the past. West Ham's treatment of Bobby Moore when he left the club and was diagnosed with cancer, or the FA's treatment of the 1966 world cup winning squad. Many of them ended up taking on normal jobs after leaving football. Only Jack Charlton and Alan Ball managed at the top level. Gordon Banks and Roger Hunt worked on the pools panel; Ray Wilson became an undertaker; George Cohen, struggling with cancer, didn't watch a football match for years. Even their manager, Sir Alf Ramsey, sacked at the age of just 53 - at least as much because of internal FA politics as because of the results on the pitch - never found a new role, despite being the only England manager to successfully win a World Cup.
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Read Johnny Giles autobiography they regularly badgered Busby for money he said he would pay them more if there wasn’t a cap on wages .......... then suddenly when that cap was knocked off Busby soon changed his tune
 
Bantamgaz said:
Read Johnny Giles autobiography they regularly badgered Busby for money he said he would pay them more if there wasn’t a cap on wages .......... then suddenly when that cap was knocked off Busby soon changed his tune
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Busby lived in a 3 bed semi, in Chorton-cum-Hardy, up until the day he died.

Famous sports people of the past may be revered in high regard, even have statues built for them. But they all lived frugally. Busby, Shankly, Clough, Mercer. They lived in the same communities as the fans who came through the turnstiles. Big money didn't come into Football until the 90's.

Look at where one of their most revered lived.
 
Mr Edward's shoe mirror said:
This has been well documented in books and documentaries. In 1958, there was no money in football. Players were capped at £20 per week.

Furthermore at the time of the crash, nothing resembling a compensation culture existed in Britain. After two world wars, the British public wanted to see resilience from victims, and not perhaps entitlements (no matter how deserved the survivor’s claims were). United’s treatment of the survivors of Munich was not unique and it is unfair to apply modern day standards to the past.

This was echoed across many football clubs in the past. West Ham's treatment of Bobby Moore when he left the club and was diagnosed with cancer, or the FA's treatment of the 1966 world cup winning squad. Many of them ended up taking on normal jobs after leaving football. Only Jack Charlton and Alan Ball managed at the top level. Gordon Banks and Roger Hunt worked on the pools panel; Ray Wilson became an undertaker; George Cohen, struggling with cancer, didn't watch a football match for years. Even their manager, Sir Alf Ramsey, sacked at the age of just 53 - at least as much because of internal FA politics as because of the results on the pitch - never found a new role, despite being the Cup.
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All of that is correct and valid. You cannot look at 1958 in the same way as we look at 2023. What does annoy Blues is united didn't give one toss about the victims until they realised money could be made out of it. That is looking at 1958 from a 1980's perspective. Disaster equalled greed in their eyes.
 
Mr Edward's shoe mirror said:
This has been well documented in books and documentaries. In 1958, there was no money in football. Players were capped at £20 per week.

Furthermore at the time of the crash, nothing resembling a compensation culture existed in Britain. After two world wars, the British public wanted to see resilience from victims, and not perhaps entitlements (no matter how deserved the survivor’s claims were). United’s treatment of the survivors of Munich was not unique and it is unfair to apply modern day standards to the past.

This was echoed across many football clubs in the past. West Ham's treatment of Bobby Moore when he left the club and was diagnosed with cancer, or the FA's treatment of the 1966 world cup winning squad. Many of them ended up taking on normal jobs after leaving football. Only Jack Charlton and Alan Ball managed at the top level. Gordon Banks and Roger Hunt worked on the pools panel; Ray Wilson became an undertaker; George Cohen, struggling with cancer, didn't watch a football match for years. Even their manager, Sir Alf Ramsey, sacked at the age of just 53 - at least as much because of internal FA politics as because of the results on the pitch - never found a new role, despite being the only England manager to successfully win a World Cup.
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BobbyMoore was diagnosed with cancer before the world cup, long before he left why.
 
Blue Mist said:
All of that is correct and valid. You cannot look at 1958 in the same way as we look at 2023. What does annoy Blues is united didn't give one toss about the victims until they realised money could be made out of it. That is looking at 1958 from a 1980's perspective. Disaster equalled greed in their eyes.
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Explain to me the logistics of a potential cash windfall from the Munich Air Disaster. How do you actually earn money from it?
 
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