United Thread - 2023/24

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Gingers Dad said:
The Glazers are decent owners in that they don't appear to get involved in the football side of things and they let the club reinvest in the playing side. They employ money men to run the club at the highest level which is the right thing to do. It's these people who let them down by trying to run parts of the club they don't understand.
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I disagree mate.

Firstly, let’s look at what they’ve done well. They’ve monetised the club to a much greater extent than it was when they took it over, but that arguably would have happened anyway, at least to a similar extent. They have invested heavily in the playing squad in the last 9 years, but most of the money has been wasted. Prior to that, they hugely underinvested in the playing staff (‘no value in the market’) which is what started the decline on the pitch from which they’ve never really recovered.

On the other hand, they have made a series of poor senior appointments both at coaching and corporate level. The money men you speak of are overseeing an institution in huge decline. The lack of investment in the infrastructure of the club, especially the stadium, speaks of owners with no vision or discernible plan. Despite generating more revenue than any other club they have declined hugely as a force in the last ten years, on their watch. No big players, other than those in the wane, want to sign for them any more.

No other club in European football has such a poor track record versus money spent in the last decade, all on their watch. The managers that keep failing, despite the money they are given, are all on the Glazers. As is the decaying state of old trafford.

This is all, ultimately, on them.

And on top of all this, and their dreadful decision making, is the money they have milked, and continue to, from the club.

As a City fan, obviously they are decent, but objectively they are terrible owners. Offspring of a self made made without his street smart and wherewithal. They are fucking clueless.

And long may it continue.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I disagree mate.

Firstly, let’s look at what they’ve done well. They’ve monetised the club to a much greater extent than it was when they took it over, but that arguably would have happened anyway, at least to a similar extent. They have invested heavily in the playing squad in the last 9 years, but most of the money has been wasted. Prior to that, they hugely underinvested in the playing staff (‘no value in the market’) which is what started the decline on the pitch from which they’ve never really recovered.

On the other hand, they have made a series of poor senior appointments both at coaching and corporate level. The money men you speak of are overseeing an institution in huge decline. The lack of investment in the infrastructure of the club, especially the stadium, speaks of owners with no vision or discernible plan. Despite generating more revenue than any other club they have declined hugely as a force in the last ten years, on their watch. No big players, other than those in the wane, want to sign for them any more.

No other club in European football has such a poor track record versus money spent in the last decade, all on their watch. The managers that keep failing, despite the money they are given, are all on the Glazers. As is the decaying state of old trafford.

This is all, ultimately, on them.

And on top of all this, and their dreadful decision making, is the money they have milked, and continue to, from the club.

As a City fan, obviously they are decent, but objectively they are terrible owners. Offspring of a self made made without his street smart and wherewithal. They are fucking clueless.

And long may it continue.
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Have you researched what they have won under the Glazers? 5 PL titles a CL trophy plus 2 losing finals, a Thursday night cup, League cups and FA cup… All
In all 13 major trophies …!
Yes they are plundering the coffers but that’s their choice, they own the shitty club …
They have provided unprecedented amounts of funds to managers also …
This is not about the Glazers, it’s about the players and inept football management at the coal face… !
The players have been spoon fed self entitlement while piss can was there and followed that on ever since he hung up his referees …!
 
kippaxwarrior said:
I'm absolutely convinced there's at least 2 players at the club leaking this to the press
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The core group of that squad got Noddy sacked 2 years ago and there are probably quite a few of them who downed tools on Mourinho 3 years before that as well. They don’t identify players with the right mindset who sulk when things don’t go their way. Football players naturally sulk if they are left out of teams, played in the wrong position or think the tactics are shit, however we seem to identify ones that don’t rock the boat and get their heads down and work hard. Cancelo was quickly bombed out when he became a problem, the rags can’t do this.
 
I see tent peg has gone all hard on them again.
I’m sure it’ll work this time!!!!!

(Spoiler: it won’t, the United changing room has to be one of the most toxic in world football)
 
BlueMoonz1977 said:
Saw the clip of ratface and spitty on sky post match

Comedy gold

Loved the part where spitty said ten hag has been there 18 months, brought players in and no-one still knows how united play
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Ratface does his usual podcast sitting in the gantry after Sky go off air.

He’s ranting about how shit they are and in the background, the roof if leaking loads. Funny.

 
Blue Til Death said:
Have you researched what they have won under the Glazers? 5 PL titles a CL trophy plus 2 losing finals, a Thursday night cup, League cups and FA cup… All
In all 13 major trophies …!
Yes they are plundering the coffers but that’s their choice, they own the shitty club …
They have provided unprecedented amounts of funds to managers also …
This is not about the Glazers, it’s about the players and inept football management at the coal face… !
The players have been spoon fed self entitlement while piss can was there and followed that on ever since he hung up his referees …!
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I don’t need to research anything.

Firstly, those league titles and the CL were all over a decade ago. They should be judged more closely on that period than the first decade of their ownership as that is more a product of their decision making and a more competitive footballing environment. If they’d won a couple of league titles in that period, or even one in the last five years then you’d have a point. But they haven’t, despite outspending everyone in that period.

The inept football management to which you refer were all appointments ultimately made by them.

The lack of any strategy around player recruitment is also on them, as owners. Individual errors in recruitment, or even those over a couple of years can be pinned on individual managers, but when the club keeps wasting money over the course of a decade how can that not be the ultimate responsibility of those at the top?

There is a cancer in that club, as there has been for the last decade, and they are the constant thread that runs through that period. That and the GPC stinking the place up. But again, they’ve done fuck all about that.

Are you suggesting they bear no responsibility for united’s decline over the last decade?
 
There are very few elite managers - i.e. of similar stature to Pep.

If you were one of them, why the fuck would you want to manage the utter chaos that is the Rags? In this country alone, City, Arsenal, Liverpoo, Spurs, Newcastle and maybe Villa are all more attractive, with far fewer issues to sort out.
 
East Level 2 said:
It's true though. We'd have put another six past them if we'd have been any good.
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Very noticeable on the BBC. Had the result and performances for the ninety minutes been reversed, we would not have heard anything about how poor we were. It would have been all about how magnificent the Rags had been.
 
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