United Thread | 2024/25

[blue for life]

Will there be awkward questions for Tent Peg in the presser about PSR and a potential points reduction? Thought not!

 

[.db.]

This subject MUST NOT be allowed to be buried and die unchallenged.

We must campaign for their 'allowances' to be made public BEFORE any decisions/agreements are made with their mates at the PL.

Twixt em they are upto a whole load of chicanery that must be stopped afore it gains any more traction.

Their 'Covid Allowances' were an abuse of the system in spirt and actions willingly encouraged by their PL mate and ignored by the venal media.

IT MUST NOT BE ALLOWED TO HAPPEN AGAIN !!

Indeed.

But who is going to run with it in the media? There’s absolutely nobody willing to do it.

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

Will there be awkward questions for Tent Peg in the presser about PSR and a potential points reduction? Thought not!

Even more awkward questions for him to answer that is in his remit for how shit his team is.

 

[Paladin]

They said yesterday that it cost £47.8 million in legal fees for Scruffy Jim to buy his 25%

If love to see the breakdown of that, and the £50m Anfield development costs.

 

[bluegray]

20 years ago in the utd boardroom their budget would be set. A number would be circled which would be CL QF as a minimum. They could plan and budget every year and almost bank on at least this money. It's what kept them a few steps ahead of everyone else. Roll on a few years and we've been taken over and starting to look like serious players. Their arrogance would of been laughing at Liverpool as they started to miss out on the top 4. They never believed it would be them 'we're man utd'. Well it has and big time. Every year they spend like there still getting that CL money hence the £235m loss over the past 3 years. They might get allowances to trim it down for PSR but it's still £235m on the books. Shame, know your place raggies, midtable just like the 80's with the odd cup thrown in.

 

[jimharri]

They already have a jocky playing in their midfield.

Nah; McTominho has moved on.

 

[Grassland Blue]

20 years ago in the utd boardroom their budget would be set. A number would be circled which would be CL QF as a minimum. They could plan and budget every year and almost bank on at least this money. It's what kept them a few steps ahead of everyone else. Roll on a few years and we've been taken over and starting to look like serious players. Their arrogance would of been laughing at Liverpool as they started to miss out on the top 4. They never believed it would be them 'we're man utd'. Well it has and big time. Every year they spend like there still getting that CL money hence the £235m loss over the past 3 years. They might get allowances to trim it down for PSR but it's still £235m on the books. Shame, know your place raggies, midtable just like the 80's with the odd cup thrown in.

I wonder what Simon Jordan, ex owner of Crystal Palace thinks, now that his beloved rags could finish below them?
Incidentally, was SJ an investor in CP before investment became a dirty word?

 

[Gingers Dad]

If even the Qataris couldn't establish just how big united's debt was despite engaging the services of the best auditors and forensic accountants available as part of a multi-billion pound proposed takeover... I'd love to know how that snivelling little no nowt is able to so confidently report that figure as being truthful and accurate.

But there again he gets to operate under the vile BBC's interpretation of what's truthful and accurate.

I reckon that Qatar bid was about as real as the new stadium

 

[Really_here]

I wonder what Simon Jordan, ex owner of Crystal Palace thinks, now that his beloved rags could finish below them?
Incidentally, was SJ an investor in CP before investment became a dirty word?

"Simon Jordan purchased Crystal Palace, the club he supported, for a reported £10m in 2000, becoming the youngest chairman of a club in the Football League aged 32. He rescued the Eagles from almost certain extinction and spent £25m funding the losses."

 

[KentBlue]

Questions should be answered - and very soon. We are currently being dragged through the mud by the media in this country, and have been for a long while, long before the 115 charges were brought up. We have been vilified, ridiculed, and been accused of every bit of devious treachery you can think of. They've called us cheats, they have called us unscrupulous, they have insulted the honour and the integrity of the Sheikh and his advisors, and they have spat poisonous venom at us, the supporters of this great and proud club.

And we've done fuck all about it.

 

[Grassland Blue]

"Simon Jordan purchased Crystal Palace, the club he supported, for a reported £10m in 2000, becoming the youngest chairman of a club in the Football League aged 32. He rescued the Eagles from almost certain extinction and spent £25m funding the losses."

So he is the 'kettle calling the pot black' as I believed.
I wonder how much his investment would be worth in today's money? (allowing for inflation)

 

[dadnlad]

"Simon Jordan purchased Crystal Palace, the club he supported, for a reported £10m in 2000, becoming the youngest chairman of a club in the Football League aged 32. He rescued the Eagles from almost certain extinction and spent £25m funding the losses."

the thick sod thought he bought stadium only to find out he had 11 players with no value

 

[Whether or not]

Questions should be answered - and very soon. We are currently being dragged through the mud by the media in this country, and have been for a long while, long before the 115 charges were brought up. We have been vilified, ridiculed, and been accused of every bit of devious treachery you can think of. They've called us cheats, they have called us unscrupulous, they have insulted the honour and the integrity of the Sheikh and his advisors, and they have spat poisonous venom at us, the supporters of this great and proud club.

And we've done fuck all about it.

What we have done about it is win every trophy going, dominate the league and go from strength to strength. The venom is frustrating I agree, but it is better to be hated out of envy because we are so good, than metaphorically patted on the head because we are irrelevant, as was the case for so long. Chest out, head up, bring it on.

 

[standupifyouhatemanu]

MP Nadhim Zahawi making a bid for the Telegraph, another self proclaimed rag, since he left the womb apparently. He was on BBC Breakfast during the election stating this. So that’ll be another full on rag media propaganda newspaper.

 

[.db.]

Its interesting watching from outside. Their greatest era seems to be the millstone around the club's neck that is waying them down and could lead to their slow demise. They have an arrogant view that this 20 year period of success is what they should expect all the time. However, they were dominant when there was not quite enough money to make people mega rich, but because of that they have owners who due to the money in football now, are creaming off vast amounts of cash and are not investing as there is no real return on that investment due to the money that is already coming in. When this dries up, it will mean that they are not as attractive a proposition to sell (especially with other clubs taking over in the money stakes). Scruffy Jim saw an opportunity before the brand was damaged too much, but I think that he is finding out that the club is mis-managed from top to bottom (sackings of staff, ground etc..) and can't see him sticking around after they get the new stadium.

Very true. United’s greatest era has utterly skewed their perception of what their club is, as a fanbase, as well.

They’ve moaned for the last decade that what they are seeing isn’t good enough. Yet, in every one of those seasons they’ve finished above their average finishing position for their club throughout history and have been winning trophies more regularly than they did before the Ferguson era:
Their all-time average league position is 9th/10th (9.93). In the last 11 years (since Ferguson left) their average league position is 4th.
In the 84 years of their history before Ferguson went there, they had 70 trophyless seasons; that’s 83.3% of the 84 pre-Fergie years that were trophyless. In the last 11 years they’ve had 7 trophyless seasons, which is only 63.6%.

These ‘unacceptable’ shit seasons are above their average or above their pre-Ferguson levels. It’s nowhere near shit for them.

They need to get real. 1990-2013 was their extreme; 1923-38 was the other end of their extreme… their reality is somewhere in the middle and they’ve actually been exceeding their average and that reality since Ferguson left.

However, that Ferguson era is skewing their view of what their club is and - as you say - seems to be a millstone around their neck that’s weighing them down.

I fucking hope we don’t get like them when we have our downturn, which will happen, and is another thing they need to realise as a set of fans. The only club where the reality ‘nothing lasts forever’ doesn’t apply to is Real Madrid. United fans think they are the Real Madrid of England, but they aren’t as there isn’t a Real Madrid of England. ‘Nothing lasts forever’ applies to every single club in England. United fans can’t grasp this, they simply don’t understand it. I really hope City fans all understand this reality so when our downturn happens, we take it with resilience and realism.

Liverpool fans are the same as United’s n’all. They think they’re always the club that won four European Cups in eight seasons. Dismissing the fact that they had 85 years of history before that ever happened where they weren’t that club.
1977-1984 is just their extreme; their other extreme is that they spent eight straight seasons in the Second Division. And their reality is somewhere in the middle.

Liverpool fans also think they’re the Real Madrid of England, and also don’t understand there isn’t Real Madrid of England and don’t understand the reality of English football.

 

[KentBlue]

I fucking hope we don’t get like them when we have our downturn, which will happen, and is another thing they need to realise as a set of fans.

I don't reckon we will, we know full well what it's like when you're outside looking in, neither the rags or the dippers have been through what we've been through, and as a fan base we're known for our humility and gallows humour.
Can you imagine how their sets of fans would have behaved if they'd experienced even half of what we have over the last 30/40 years?

 

[Gingers Dad]

Very true. United’s greatest era has utterly skewed their perception of what their club is, as a fanbase, as well.

They’ve moaned for the last decade that what they are seeing isn’t good enough. Yet, in every one of those seasons they’ve finished above their average finishing position for their club throughout history and have been winning trophies more regularly than they did before the Ferguson era:
Their all-time average league position is 9th/10th (9.93). In the last 11 years (since Ferguson left) their average league position is 4th.
In the 84 years of their history before Ferguson went there, they had 70 trophyless seasons; that’s 83.3% of the 84 pre-Fergie years that were trophyless. In the last 11 years they’ve had 7 trophyless seasons, which is only 63.6%.

These ‘unacceptable’ shit seasons are above their average or above their pre-Ferguson levels. It’s nowhere near shit for them.

They need to get real. 1990-2013 was their extreme; 1923-38 was the other end of their extreme… their reality is somewhere in the middle and they’ve actually been exceeding their average and that reality since Ferguson left.

However, that Ferguson era is skewing their view of what their club is and - as you say - seems to be a millstone around their neck that’s weighing them down.

I fucking hope we don’t get like them when we have our downturn, which will happen, and is another thing they need to realise as a set of fans. The only club where the reality ‘nothing lasts forever’ doesn’t apply to is Real Madrid. United fans think they are the Real Madrid of England, but they aren’t as there isn’t a Real Madrid of England. ‘Nothing lasts forever’ applies to every single club in England. United fans can’t grasp this, they simply don’t understand it. I really hope City fans all understand this reality so when our downturn happens, we take it with resilience and realism.

Liverpool fans are the same as United’s n’all. They think they’re always the club that won four European Cups in eight seasons. Dismissing the fact that they had 85 years of history before they ever happened where they weren’t that club.
1977-1984 is just their extreme; their other extreme is that they spent eight straight seasons in the Second Division. And their reality is somewhere in the middle.

Liverpool fans also think they’re the Real Madrid of England, and also don’t understand there isn’t Real Madrid of England and don’t understand the reality of English football.

Real Madrid fans proved they are capable of entering a stadium in an orderly manner.

 

[tregyblue61]

the thick sod thought he bought stadium only to find out he had 11 players with no value

Pinched off Wiki:

Selhurst Park​

In October 2006 Jordan claimed to have purchased the freehold to Selhurst Park from Ron Noades for £12 million, using an investment mechanism that kept his identity secret. He claimed the obfuscation had been necessary due to the "very, very difficult" relationship he had with Noades. Crystal Palace were now seen to be safe for the future. It later transpired that the freehold had been bought by the company Selhurst Park Limited, which was owned by another company. A maze of ownership finally showed the legal ownership being 60% Paul Kemsley and 40% a venture capital company owned by HBOS. Jordan has since offered the freehold for sale with the intention of taking back a long lease on the property. Simon Jordan's exact position on the freehold was unknown, although Jordan later agreed a 25-year lease for Selhurst Park. Selhurst Park Limited later went into administration (separate from Crystal Palace Football Club's own administration), leading to the stadium being purchased by the CPFC 2010 consortium, led by Steve Parish at the same time as the consortium buying Crystal Palace.

 

[Resurrection Joe...]

Very true. United’s greatest era has utterly skewed their perception of what their club is, as a fanbase, as well.

They’ve moaned for the last decade that what they are seeing isn’t good enough. Yet, in every one of those seasons they’ve finished above their average finishing position for their club throughout history and have been winning trophies more regularly than they did before the Ferguson era:
Their all-time average league position is 9th/10th (9.93). In the last 11 years (since Ferguson left) their average league position is 4th.
In the 84 years of their history before Ferguson went there, they had 70 trophyless seasons; that’s 83.3% of the 84 pre-Fergie years that were trophyless. In the last 11 years they’ve had 7 trophyless seasons, which is only 63.6%.

These ‘unacceptable’ shit seasons are above their average or above their pre-Ferguson levels. It’s nowhere near shit for them.

They need to get real. 1990-2013 was their extreme; 1923-38 was the other end of their extreme… their reality is somewhere in the middle and they’ve actually been exceeding their average and that reality since Ferguson left.

However, that Ferguson era is skewing their view of what their club is and - as you say - seems to be a millstone around their neck that’s weighing them down.

I fucking hope we don’t get like them when we have our downturn, which will happen, and is another thing they need to realise as a set of fans. The only club where the reality ‘nothing lasts forever’ doesn’t apply to is Real Madrid. United fans think they are the Real Madrid of England, but they aren’t as there isn’t a Real Madrid of England. ‘Nothing lasts forever’ applies to every single club in England. United fans can’t grasp this, they simply don’t understand it. I really hope City fans all understand this reality so when our downturn happens, we take it with resilience and realism.

Liverpool fans are the same as United’s n’all. They think they’re always the club that won four European Cups in eight seasons. Dismissing the fact that they had 85 years of history before they ever happened where they weren’t that club.
1977-1984 is just their extreme; their other extreme is that they spent eight straight seasons in the Second Division. And their reality is somewhere in the middle.

Liverpool fans also think they’re the Real Madrid of England, and also don’t understand there isn’t Real Madrid of England and don’t understand the reality of English football.

but, hang on....this is Manch.....oh...i can't be bothered.

 

[r.soleofsalford]

Can Saints channel their inner Bobby Stokes on saturday?

Younger BM ers, ask your dads/grandads.

I lived in Irlan o’th Height at the time of that game. Rags lived next door, at the end of the match me and the old fella went round and stood outside their front window, not saying a word but both grinning like Cheshire Cats, they ended up drawing the curtains.

8-)