US Politics Thread

[Vic]

You think people are really upset at the pardon? A pardon whose scope is the stuff of Nixon. A pardon that screams it's an admission of guilt about the Ukraine etc. WE'RE LAUGHING.

Oooops. No more 5th Amendment protection for Hunter.

We're laughing at the people who believed Joe Biden when he said he wouldn't do what he has done because, you know, principles.

He flat out lied to your face for over year and all you can do is deflections about Trump.

The Democrat deflections are utterly pathetic. Fucking own it.

You sound upset.

 

[blueparrot]

You think people are really upset at the pardon? A pardon whose scope is the stuff of Nixon. A pardon that screams it's an admission of guilt about the Ukraine etc. WE'RE LAUGHING.

Oooops. No more 5th Amendment protection for Hunter.

We're laughing at the people who believed Joe Biden when he said he wouldn't do what he has done because, you know, principles.

He flat out lied to your face for over year and all you can do is deflections about Trump.

The Democrat deflections are utterly pathetic. Fucking own it.

You seem to be missing the point that the ability for Presidents to go around throwing out pardons to friends,donators, family and even themselves,shows up America to the rest of the world as just a tinpot democracy.Whether one side is worse than the other, and obviously Trump is worse, isn't the point.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

You seem to be missing the point that the ability for Presidents to go around throwing out pardons to friends,donators, family and even themselves,shows up America to the rest of the world as just a tinpot democracy.Whether one side is worse than the other, and obviously Trump is worse, isn't the point.

It’s an absolute fucking joke.

 

[KPXBLN]

I don't think he is, personally. Now that he's been re-elected, his primary focus will not be squashing opposition nor fulfilling promises made to his voters but protecting himself from legal jeopardy (already to a great extent done) and enriching himself. The lust for power is not matched by a lust to do any actual, you know, work. If physically able, he'll play a lot of golf and spend a lot of time in Florida. Once in awhile he'll make a speech or visit a foreign nation. He'll lie a lot; he'll blame others for every little thing that goes wrong (Fed Chair Powell will be the next Fauci -- I 100% guarantee it). Now his idiot acolytes may do a lot of damage and the rhetoric won't be toned down. But I'm increasingly of the view that, since I wanted a President I can ignore, I very well might be able to ignore him, because he's a lame duck. I suspect many of the rational voices left in the GOP are relieved because there's finally an end in sight -- four years at the most.

Of course, that doesn't mean Trump 2.0 whomever that is won't be worse or more dangerous. The biggest problem is how his election suggests character is not now only irrelevant as a decision point, but how bad character is actually rewarded with the highest office in the land. If you're willing to vote for a convicted felon as President, how can anyone trust your ability to make a decision on much else? While I can calmly criticiz(s)e Biden for his really bad decision to pardon his son without any cognitive dissonance, I promise you none of the serial dipshits who post here in support of Trump will say a single bad word about any decision he makes between now and his death. I'm not kidding when I say that if he raped their daughters while they watched as their children screamed in terror and pain, they'd excuse him blithely, and keep voting for him. Ask them -- they won't answer, or they'll say they wouldn't vote, but they won't say "I'd' vote for the opponent." That line about shooting someone on 5th Avenue will be engraved on his tombstone. Props to him for understanding his base better than I ever could.

I think the risk lies in what those around him will do. Trump doesn't have to do any work to sign the executive orders that Stephen Miller or whoever puts in front of him. That's my concern.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

You seem to be missing the point that the ability for Presidents to go around throwing out pardons to friends,donators, family and even themselves,shows up America to the rest of the world as just a tinpot democracy.Whether one side is worse than the other, and obviously Trump is worse, isn't the point.

And you seem to have a yardstick that is based on your belief of what another society should look like and act like.

Americans decided that for themselves once they’d rid themselves of the monarchy. While that could certainly not be called a “tinpot democracy,” what does one call a monarchy in the 21st century?

Your American lens seems to have a peculiarly British focus, even after 250 years of freedom from such servitude.

 

[blueparrot]

And you seem to have a yardstick that is based on your belief of what another society should look like and act like.

Americans decided that for themselves once they’d rid themselves of the monarchy. While that could certainly not be called a “tinpot democracy,” what does one call a monarchy in the 21st century?

Your American lens seems to have a peculiarly British focus, even after 250 years of freedom from such servitude.

Yes, I have a yardstick based on what I believe is right, whether that's in the US, or the UK or antwhere else. It's my opinion,think that's fairly normal that we all have our own yardsticks.Are you saying pardoning people and appointing criminals just because you're a president is a a good model,that we should all aspire to?
I wouldn't be a the front of any queue defending the monarchy or the UK political system either if that helps.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Yes, I have a yardstick based on what I believe is right, whether that's in the US, or the UK or antwhere else. It's my opinion,think that's fairly normal that we all have our own yardsticks.Are you saying pardoning people and appointing criminals just because you're a president is a a good model,that we should all aspire to?
I wouldn't be a the front of any queue defending the monarchy or the UK political system either if that helps.

My point is that EVERY country has its own unique laws and cultural norms, but looking through a narrow lens often ignores the whys and wherefores that created them.

I’ve pilloried both systems on here (monarchy and republican democracy), given I’ve experienced both, because if I ruled the world they’d both be different. But, I don’t, so I try to understand why things are the way they are, so I can better understand why the voters allow certain things to continue…or whether they are simply helpless to change it!

 

[blueparrot]

My point is that EVERY country has its own unique laws and cultural norms, but looking through a narrow lens often ignores the whys and wherefores that created them.

I’ve pilloried both systems on here (monarchy and republican democracy), given I’ve experienced both, because if I ruled the world they’d both be different. But, I don’t, so I try to understand why things are the way they are, so I can better understand why the voters allow certain things to continue…or whether they are simply helpless to change it!

Well obviously I have no power to change it and no interest in changing it, doesn't mean I ,and to be honest most people I know,having and opinion on it.

 

[Vic]

As a gangster neariy got elected as an MP in Ireland, and the UK elected Johnson, I think we're now in Shakespearean territory.

Son: What is a traitor?
Lady Macduff: Why, one that swears and lies.
Son: And be all traitors that do so?
Lady Macduff: Everyone that does so is a traitor, and must be hanged.
Son: Who must hang them?
Lady Macduff Why, the honest men.
Son: Then the liars and swearers are fools; for there are liars and swearers enow to beat the honest men, and hang up them.

 

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