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@BluePhil8 said:
I know who I’m preaching to on here, but this is actual authoritarianism.
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Yeah when a company finally enforces its own code of conduct on a guy who has spent four years breaking it, that’s real authoritarianism. Or when another company (Apple) decides it doesn’t want to sell an app where half the users are currently calling for the violent overthrow of the government and calling on the VP to be shot for treason against Trump. That’s basically Stalin and Hitler rolled into one eh.

I’ll tell you what’s not authoritarianism, trying to incite a mob to storm Congress and subvert democracy in an attempt to stop the counting of the electoral college votes.

hang on a minute....
 
SWP's back said:
Yeah when a company finally enforces its own code of conduct on a guy who has spent four years breaking it, that’s real authoritarianism. Or when another company (Apple) decides it doesn’t want to sell an app where half the users are currently calling for the violent overthrow of the government and calling on the VP to be shot for treason against Trump. That’s basically Stalin and Hitler rolled into one eh.

I’ll tell you what’s not authoritarianism, trying to incite a mob to storm Congress and subvert democracy in an attempt to stop the counting of the electoral college votes.

hang on a minute....
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This. All day long — this.
 
@BluePhil8 said:
The banning itself in isolation isn’t worrying.

What is worrying is the blatant conspiring by these huge and influential social media organisations like Twitter, Facebook and Instagram. Google and Apple joining the party by issuing pre-emptive strikes on Parler yesterday, the platform where Trump would have ended up. Added to the fact that CNN are actively trying to get any right wing channel taken off the air in America.

I know who I’m preaching to on here, but this is actual authoritarianism. And it’s not being handed down by elected officials who are accountable, but by Silicon Valley.
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Bollocks. It’s about time influential people weren’t freely allowed to incite violence and spread blatant lies. Doesn’t matter what side of the political divide they lie on, there needs to be due diligence and fact checking done by both news organisations and social media companies.

Aaron banks, farage, trump, and all those far right cronies spout shit and propaganda that endangers lives. About time they weren’t given a platform.
 
Rascal said:
And. There. Should. Be . A . Code . Of . Fucking. Conduct. That . Limits . Corporate. Power. And . There . Ability . To . Influence . Democracy.

Because . Oligarchy. Is. Far. More . Fucking. Dangerous. Than. Democracy.
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What twisted logic. The guy has tried to overturn democracy. He loses his democratic rights. Should murderers be allowed access to platforms from prison? No.
Stop talking shite. You are better than that
 
SWP's back said:
Yeah when a company finally enforces its own code of conduct on a guy who has spent four years breaking it, that’s real authoritarianism. Or when another company (Apple) decides it doesn’t want to sell an app where half the users are currently calling for the violent overthrow of the government and calling on the VP to be shot for treason against Trump. That’s basically Stalin and Hitler rolled into one eh.

I’ll tell you what’s not authoritarianism, trying to incite a mob to storm Congress and subvert democracy in an attempt to stop the counting of the electoral college votes.

hang on a minute....
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Will i be able to find posts from you backing ANTIFA?
Hart of the Matter said:
What twisted logic. The guy has tried to overturn democracy. He loses his democratic rights. Should murderers be allowed access to platforms from prison? No.
Stop talking shite. You are better than that
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You are conflating the two arguments. I in no way support Trump or his actions, i also do not support the actions of the big tech corporations. I believe both actions are dangerous.
 
Rascal said:
You are getting very hot under the collar, calm down pal. calm down.

What do you think will happen if Biden has the cojones to rein in corporate power. Because by saying nothing now corporate power is free to do as it wishes. Is that absurd?
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I’m not hot under the collar you mad old twat. But you’re talking bollocks and I know you well enough to tell you that you’re talking bollocks and you know I’d tell you over a pint whilst you called me a **** in return.

Biden isn’t banned as he’s not broken any rules just like GDM doesn’t get banned on here as he doesn’t break any rules. You and I however have both been banned several times when we have broken @Ric ‘s CoC. That doesn’t mean there is Ric over reach, it means you and I have crossed a line over which Ric has acted as he decides what content he wants on his platform (and tells everyone in advance using a published list of rules - and then gives out warnings before banning people). It means we’ve been a pair of cûnts and probably deserved the bans.

The fact that Trump was elected to office gave him great leeway, far more than that of a normal Twitter user (I got a 12 hour suspension once for calling some tosser a “crazy bitch”). It does not harm democracy to suspend then ban someone currently under federal investigation for incitement to sedition/riot.

What you’re basically saying is that Trump should receive status as some Demi god where he can say and do whatever he likes and a private corporation has no power to act as they please with their own platform? That’s absurd as I say.
 
Corporations that create wealth for their owners or shareholders do not take wealth away from someone else.
Do I think that workers should be paid more? In general, yes, but to rail against corporations as an entity smacks of an entitled attitude. Look at what they have, I want some of that.
Totally different to those who are disadvantaged being given help and a way out of poverty.
@Rascal I admire your commitment to your beliefs, but I don't think that your Utopua is just around any corner, it just can't exist.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
Oh no look what these evil corporations are doing now!!!

Also — I expect an outcry from @Rascal about all these awful corporations and non-profit organizations and government organizations (like schools) firing employees who were arrested for breaking into the Capitol.

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I don't really understand that, so i am unsure what you think i should be outcrying about?

A bit of context perhaps rather than a random tweet may help.
 
Rascal said:
Will i be able to find posts from you backing ANTIFA?
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Depends how good your carer is with the search function I suppose.

(edit. Funny as fuck that your next post argues that someone is conflating two arguments when you’ve just posted that to me and are moving the goal posts like Michael J Fox setting up a game of Subbuteo)
 
Rascal said:
Will i be able to find posts from you backing ANTIFA?

You are conflating the two arguments. I in no way support Trump or his actions, i also do not support the actions of the big tech corporations. I believe both actions are dangerous.
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Well, guess what, pal — the two dangerous actions are in conflict with one another, and where the rest of us live — on planet Earth and not your world — we’ve got to decide between the two. You’ve already decided which is more important, so spare me the “I in no way support Trump or his actions” bullshit. Either he goes on with this shit, or Twitter zips him for it.

So choose. That’s how things work in the real world — in a democracy, where people choose between options, often unpalatable ones.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
Oh no look what these evil corporations are doing now!!!

Also — I expect an outcry from @Rascal about all these awful corporations and non-profit organizations and government organizations (like schools) firing employees who were arrested for breaking into the Capitol.

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They are toxic.

Zero credibility with all but the brainwashed.
 
Rascal said:
That is of no importance to me, it is the over reach of corporate power that i find disturbing.

If they can use that power to ban a President, who knows where the use of said power will end. If they can ban a President what is stopping them banning anyone that disagrees with their corporate stance. It doesn't have to be against the code of conduct it can be just the corporate entity pushing boundaries to see how far their influence on democracy can go.

I am not comfortable with what they have done, because I believe Democracy is far more important than a corporation's desires.
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It’s a pity Donald doesn’t believe that democracy is important.
 
SWP's back said:
I’m not hot under the collar you mad old twat. But you’re talking bollocks and I know you well enough to tell you that you’re talking bollocks and you know I’d tell you over a pint whilst you called me a **** in return.

Biden isn’t banned as he’s not broken any rules just like GDM doesn’t get banned on here as he doesn’t break any rules. You and I however have both been banned several times when we have broken @Ric ‘s CoC. That doesn’t mean there is Ric over reach, it means you and I have crossed a line over which Ric has acted as he decides what content he wants on his platform (and tells everyone in advance using a published list of rules - and then gives out warnings before banning people). It means we’ve been a pair of cûnts and probably deserved the bans.

The fact that Trump was elected to office gave him great leeway, far more than that of a normal Twitter user (I got a 12 hour suspension once for calling some tosser a “crazy bitch”). It does not harm democracy to suspend then ban someone currently under federal investigation for incitement to sedition/riot.

What you’re basically saying is that Trump should receive status as some Demi god where he can say and do whatever he likes and a private corporation has no power to act as they please with their own platform? That’s absurd as I say.
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Mad Old twat.....brilliant ha ha ha ha.
 
Rascal said:
Mad Old twat.....brilliant ha ha ha ha.
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Right it’s 9:33pm here and I’m off to bed as I’m working early so I can play golf from lunch (new irons arrived via courier today).

Hopefully everyone talks some sense into you whilst I sleep.
 
DrBlueBob said:
Corporations that create wealth for their owners or shareholders do not take wealth away from someone else.
Do I think that workers should be paid more? In general, yes, but to rail against corporations as an entity smacks of an entitled attitude. Look at what they have, I want some of that.
Totally different to those who are disadvantaged being given help and a way out of poverty.
@Rascal I admire your commitment to your beliefs, but I don't think that your Utopua is just around any corner, it just can't exist.
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Now there is an argument I didn't expect.

I am trying to work out why railing against corporations makes one smack of an entitlement attitude.

We can deal with the rest of your post after i have got a brew.
 
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