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BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
I agree that he'll be charged - it's inescapable. However, charges probably won't be brought until after the midterms according to TV pundits I've watched.
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There’s a DOJ memo that says they shouldn’t take any action against politicians
within 90 days of an election.

However, the raid on Mar a Lago would definitely fall under that, as would releasing the court documents on Wednesday.
 
domalino said:
There’s a DOJ memo that says they shouldn’t take any action against politicians
within 90 days of an election.

However, the raid on Mar a Lago would definitely fall under that, as would releasing the court documents on Wednesday.
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Trump isn't up for election in the mid-terms, nor has he announced he's running for President in 2024. He's currently a political non-entity.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
Trump isn't up for election in the mid-terms, nor has he announced he's running for President in 2024. He's currently a political non-entity.
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He’s the defacto leader of the Republican Party, and by far the most certain 2024 candidate, pretending he’s a political non-entity is just childish.
 
domalino said:
He’s the defacto leader of the Republican Party, and by far the most certain 2024 candidate, pretending he’s a political non-entity is just childish.
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Defacto leader or not he is still not announced his candidacy.

However, in 2016 there was a certain person who had announced her candidacy and was on course to win the election, yet the FBI very publicly opened an investigation in to a non-issue (in comparison to the current crime spree) which essentially derailed her campaign and swung the result in favour of Trump.
 
domalino said:
There’s a DOJ memo that says they shouldn’t take any action against politicians
within 90 days of an election.

However, the raid on Mar a Lago would definitely fall under that, as would releasing the court documents on Wednesday.
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The risk to national security likely trumped (haha!) the memorandum.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
However, in 2016 there was a certain person who had announced her candidacy and was on course to win the election, yet the FBI very publicly opened an investigation in to a non-issue (in comparison to the current crime spree) which essentially derailed her campaign and swung the result in favour of Trump.
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Yes, that shouldn't have happened. Which is why Garland has upheld Barr's memo about not taking public action that could be seen as intefering with an election.
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
I agree that he'll be charged - it's inescapable. However, charges probably won't be brought until after the midterms according to TV pundits I've watched.
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It would be political suicide to do it before the mid terms Imo.

The Dems look like they've managed to prevent the expected red wave but they aren't out of the woods yet.
 
domalino said:
There’s a DOJ memo that says they shouldn’t take any action against politicians
within 90 days of an election.

However, the raid on Mar a Lago would definitely fall under that, as would releasing the court documents on Wednesday.
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If I recall the raid occured 91 days before the election to cover their ass?
 
mat said:
If I recall the raid occured 91 days before the election to cover their ass?
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Potentially, there's some debate as to when an election actually starts. Is it when voting opens (inc early voting, mail in etc.) or is it election day itself.

Also I've seen some commentators say that the FBI's public disclosures in the lawsuits (like those staged photos of all the top secret documents in Trump's office) would be seen as a breach of Barr/Garland's memo, but no one really knows definitively.

The other thing is the January 6th hearings start back up again this month, and those hearings are unofficially in partnership with the DOJ because they're passing everything over to them, so that makes a bit of a mockery of the spirit of the 90 day rule too.
 
domalino said:
Yes, that shouldn't have happened. Which is why Garland has upheld Barr's memo about not taking public action that could be seen as intefering with an election.
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All the Barr memo really does is reiterate that any investigation has to be sanctioned at the highest level of the DOJ, and that each case is taken on its merits.

IF the AG feels that potential law breaking by any individual engaged in an active political campaign (even within 90 days of an election) is serious enough then the Justice Department will be empowered to do their job.

If they were to have uncovered potential acts of treason, which is a capitol offence (and this isn't beyond the realms of possibility given what was uncovered in the raid on Mar a Lago) I would fully expect them to continue their investigations wherever that took them.
 
domalino said:
He’s the defacto leader of the Republican Party, and by far the most certain 2024 candidate, pretending he’s a political non-entity is just childish.
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He’s absolutely not a non-entity but I think DeSantis has a better chance of winning the Presidency (not necessarily the GOP nomination) than Trump does, and I also think most every elected official and political strategist in both parties thinks this too.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
He’s absolutely not a non-entity but I think DeSantis has a better chance of winning the Presidency (not necessarily the GOP nomination) than Trump does, and I also think most every elected official and political strategist in both parties thinks this too.
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The GOP are pulling the plug on funding dozens of races 2 months before the midterms because they've run out of money.

Why are they running out of money? Because Donald Trump is pulling it all in and keeping it.

DeSantis cannot win a primary against Trump, and he can't win a general election without MAGA approval if he goes against Trump or Trump runs as a 3rd party.
 
domalino said:
The GOP are pulling the plug on funding dozens of races 2 months before the midterms because they've run out of money.

Why are they running out of money? Because Donald Trump is pulling it all in and keeping it.

DeSantis cannot win a primary against Trump, and he can't win a general election without MAGA approval if he goes against Trump or Trump runs as a 3rd party.
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You are probably right, but very few in the establishment GOP want him. And as I’ve already said earlier, I believe Trump will disqualify himself from public office as part of his plea deal. This is the problem Republicans have — their voter base is loyal to Trump, not the party, which is why demonizing Biden and every Democrat is so important (to keep them active after Trump is eventually gone).

The primary is still a ways-away. I wouldn’t be discounting the possibility that a lot can change for Trump between now and then. He’s in terrible legal jeopardy now.
 
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FogBlueInSanFran said:
You are probably right, but very few In the establishment GOP want him. And as I’ve already said earlier, I believe Trump will disqualify himself from public office as part of his plea deal. This is the problem Republicans have — their voter base is loyal to Trump, not the party, which is why demonizing Biden and every Democrat is so important (to keep them active after Trump is eventually gone).

The primary is still a ways-away. I wouldn’t be discounting the possibility that a lot can change for Trump between now and then. He’s in terrible legal jeopardy now.
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If the GOP want to have a chance of winning the next election they need rid of Trump. Their best chance of this is not to get in the way of the DoJ's investigation into the Trump crime spree. Unfortunately for many of them this means potentially exposing their own criminal involvement in the attempted subversion of the 2020 election result. The proverbial rock and a hard place.
 
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