US Politics Thread

[bluethrunthru]

wow - health has to be deserved and earned - this right is not dependant on insurance in the WHO constitution - I really think for the forseeable future the rest of the world should just cut the USA adrift and let them fester in their extremist fantasy until the very rich realise if you starve/kill off/don't employ the poorest then you have no business - no-one is buying anything but your streets are full of homeless dead and dying its that hard for them to understand

 

[bluethrunthru]

At least some Jews recognise it for what it is, a cynical support for Zionism that has rather a different outcome for Judaism:
The battle of Armaggedon — in which it is prophesied that good will finally triumph over evil. However, in the process, two-thirds of the Jews in Israel die and the other third are converted to Christianity.

Netanyahu cynically welcomes the Christian Zionists' support because he thinks their prophecies are crazy, so it's just a means to his end.

The problem they face is that places like Iran - a nut job regime - is thought to have or is trying to - develop nukes. Push them far enough and in solidarity with their Arab brothers they could make Israel uninhabitable for at least the next 3500 years because unlike Zionists Iran would just see retaliation is martyrdom

 

[Vic]

The problem they face is that places like Iran - a nut job regime - is thought to have or is trying to - develop nukes. Push them far enough and in solidarity with their Arab brothers they could make Israel uninhabitable for at least the next 3500 years because unlike Zionists Iran would just see retaliation is martyrdom

I must be misunderstanding nuclear deterrence. If Israel (not a nut job regime of course) has nukes, shouldn't Iran also acquire them?

 

[bluethrunthru]

I must be misunderstanding nuclear deterrence. If Israel (not a nut job regime of course) has nukes, shouldn't Iran also acquire them?

maybe they have them? Its long been thought. MAD may be until now why Israel hasn't done anything because they suspect and just don't know ......

 

[Blue Maverick]

The problem they face is that places like Iran - a nut job regime - is thought to have or is trying to - develop nukes. Push them far enough and in solidarity with their Arab brothers they could make Israel uninhabitable for at least the next 3500 years because unlike Zionists Iran would just see retaliation is martyrdom

I don’t think Iran has the capability to deliver a nuke by rocket, looking at the last time they tried to use missiles and the iron dome, more likely Iran would use dirty bombs and it wouldn’t just be Israel they’d target. I’m surprised North Korea hasn’t sold stuff to them, I think that would be a watershed moment in the world if one went off in the West, I really don’t know what the west would do, how would they retaliate?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I don’t think Iran has the capability to deliver a nuke by rocket, looking at the last time they tried to use missiles and the iron dome, more likely Iran would use dirty bombs and it wouldn’t just be Israel they’d target. I’m surprised North Korea hasn’t sold stuff to them, I think that would be a watershed moment in the world if one went off in the West, I really don’t know what the west would do, how would they retaliate?

How would the West know who was ultimately responsible for a dirty bomb with any certainty?

 

[Blue Maverick]

How would the West know who was ultimately responsible for a dirty bomb with any certainty?

No idea but obviously someone would want to claim that “victory” just like 9/11, so whoever and where ever they are I guess would be the answer to that.

 

[deegee33]

I'd hate to live in a blue state. What a disaster the Democrats are

NYC sees ‘staggering’ 146.5% spike in felony assaults by repeat offenders as top cops blame ‘broken system’

A total of 29,417 felony assaults were reported within the five boroughs between January and December of 2024 – up 5 percent from the 28,003 tallied by the department in 2023.

nypost.com

Yeah, but murder is down.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

I'd hate to live in a blue state. What a disaster the Democrats are

NYC sees ‘staggering’ 146.5% spike in felony assaults by repeat offenders as top cops blame ‘broken system’

A total of 29,417 felony assaults were reported within the five boroughs between January and December of 2024 – up 5 percent from the 28,003 tallied by the department in 2023.

nypost.com

Please, tell us YOUR solution to crime, and how you’re going to pay for it.

Democrats have been waiting decades to hear some POLICIES AND SOLUTIONS to everything you complain about in “blue states” and “blue cities,” yet never get to see or hear a solution put into practice.

For instance, is incarceration the answer? If so, are YOU going to build the jails? Pay for the guards? Incur the long-tailed costs of such a plan? If so, where are you going to take the money from, because I’m not seeing many places running a surplus and we are supposedly running at an economic clip that is going to fuel inflation?

You see, like most Red Staters, you are BRILLIANT at highlighting a problem, often ignoring the causes (which may have come from Red Staters!) AND the solutions, while simply using the issues as a flaming tyre around the neck of Democrats!

Show me a RED STATE that is a NET PROVIDER of income to the nation. Tell me how they did it, and how you plan to replicate it. Then, tell me what is…and is not…worth spending valuable tax dollars on, and where you’re going to get those tax dollars.

You see, ANYONE can sit in their armchair, watching Fox News or listening to EIB, and start pontificating about what is wrong here, or there, or way over there. The “That’s fucked up!” is simple (which is why most Republicans are so good at it!).

The HARD PART, however, is FIXING IT! How you implement the change, fund it, maintain it, and replicate it.

Starting NEXT WEEK, you have the House, the Senate, the Presidency, and the Supreme Court. You have CARTE FUCKING BLANCHE to fix the whole ball of wax!

You can enact ANY laws you need.
You can challenge ANY laws you don’t like.
You can change tax policy in one week.
You can enact Executive Actions.

So, Red Stater, show us the way. Lead us to enlightenment and the Promised Land.

PUT THE FUCK UP - or - SHUT THE FUCK UP!

So fucking tired of Republicans creating an economic underclass that just isn’t “bootstrappin’ hard enough” while they create tax policies that starve the nation of the money it needs, WHILE saying they need a TRILLION DOLLAR MILITARY BUDGET to project all that Murican strength….into their Red States and Red Congressional districts!

Republicans traditionally LIVE OFF THE TEAT OF BLUE STATE WORKERS, which is why we get so fucking tired of all the whining, but the complete lack of solutions.

We get tired of watching you fuck it all up, then spending the next 4-8 yrs trying to right the ship. Clinton had to do it (Arms Race & war), Obama had to do it (Great Economic Recession), and Biden had to do it (COVID debacle & recession).

Now, let’s watch Trump fuck it all up AGAIN!

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

Please, tell us YOUR solution to crime, and how you’re going to pay for it.

Democrats have been waiting decades to hear some POLICIES AND SOLUTIONS to everything you complain about in “blue states” and “blue cities,” yet never get to see or hear a solution put into practice.

For instance, is incarceration the answer? If so, are YOU going to build the jails? Pay for the guards? Incur the long-tailed costs of such a plan? If so, where are you going to take the money from, because I’m not seeing many places running a surplus and we are supposedly running at an economic clip that is going to fuel inflation?

You see, like most Red Staters, you are BRILLIANT at highlighting a problem, often ignoring the causes (which may have come from Red Staters!) AND the solutions, while simply using the issues as a flaming tyre around the neck of Democrats!

Show me a RED STATE that is a NET PROVIDER of income to the nation. Tell me how they did it, and how you plan to replicate it. Then, tell me what is…and is not…worth spending valuable tax dollars on, and where you’re going to get those tax dollars.

You see, ANYONE can sit in their armchair, watching Fox News or listening to EIB, and start pontificating about what is wrong here, or there, or way over there. The “That’s fucked up!” is simple (which is why most Republicans are so good at it!).

The HARD PART, however, is FIXING IT! How you implement the change, fund it, maintain it, and replicate it.

Starting NEXT WEEK, you have the House, the Senate, the Presidency, and the Supreme Court. You have CARTE FUCKING BLANCHE to fix the whole ball of wax!

You can enact ANY laws you need.
You can challenge ANY laws you don’t like.
You can change tax policy in one week.
You can enact Executive Actions.

So, Red Stater, show us the way. Lead us to enlightenment and the Promised Land.

PUT THE FUCK UP - or - SHUT THE FUCK UP!

So fucking tired of Republicans creating an economic underclass that just isn’t “bootstrappin’ hard enough” while they create tax policies that starve the nation of the money it needs, WHILE saying they need a TRILLION DOLLAR MILITARY BUDGET to project all that Murican strength….into their Red States and Red Congressional districts!

Republicans traditionally LIVE OFF THE TEAT OF BLUE STATE WORKERS, which is why we get so fucking tired of all the whining, but the complete lack of solutions.

We get tired of watching you fuck it all up, then spending the next 4-8 yrs trying to right the ship. Clinton had to do it (Arms Race & war), Obama had to do it (Great Economic Recession), and Biden had to do it (COVID debacle & recession).

Now, let’s watch Trump fuck it all up AGAIN!

I'll bet you're old enough to remember Jonestown, ChicagoBlue. A fanatical religious movement in Guyana, circa late 1970's. As you recall, roughly 900 of these religious fanatics ended up committing suicide, drinking cyanide-laced Kool-Aid and indeed, giving rise to the phrase, "drinking the Kool-Aid" to refer to those so deeply committed to a belief or cult that reason no longer prevails.

Aphex is a Kool-Aid drinker, far beyond reason, drunk with delusional Trump-love.

And so I ask - why are you engaging with him? He's irrational, incapable of reason, a punch-drunk sheep loyally following shepherd Trump, wherever he leads, buoyant in the affirmation that his fanatical news feeds affirm.

Talking to such is a fucking waste of time. Put him on ignore and move on.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

I'll bet you're old enough to remember Jonestown, ChicagoBlue. A remote, religious fanatical movement in Guyana, circa late 1970's. As you recall, roughly 900 of these religious fanatics ended up committing suicide, drinking cyanide-laced Kool-Aid and indeed, giving rise to the phrase, "drinking the Kool-Aid" to refer to those so deeply committed to a belief or cult that reason no longer prevails.

Aphex is a Kool-Aid drinker, far beyond reason, drunk with delusional Trump-love.

And so I ask - why are you engaging with him? He's irrational, incapable of reason, a punch-drunk sheep loyally following shepherd Trump, wherever he leads, buoyant in the affirmation that his news feeds affirm.

Talking to such is a fucking waste of time. Put him on ignore and move on.

Every now and then, a little cathartic rant does a body good!

And, who knows, maybe someone else will read it and give it some consideration?

That said, you summed him up quite well!
Cheers…just not with Kool Aid!! ;-)

Btw, the video of them all strewn around the compound is dumbfounding.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

Btw, the video of them all strewn around the compound is dumbfounding.

And, indeed, sickening, depressing, and, to rational observers, deeply sorrowful.

The band Concrete Blonde wrote a contemporary, insightful song about this terrible event; well-worth a listen. The prologue is especially eerie.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Enjoyed that!!

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Bannon v's Musk is not the cat fight I saw breaking out. He's gone after him big time on breitbart - I won't link to that sewer of news. But he's basically called him out for being a racist south African and said he tolerated it because he put money in but won't tolerate him any longer.

You could say that is saying the quiet part out loud but we are passed that now. There is no pretence that 1 Trump isnt surrounded by racists and 2 money doesnt get you influence.

Musk seem to be doing all the wrong things for a long term position at the top of MAGA world. But what makes this interesting is that maybe Musk is already to big a threat. He has the twitter algorithm on his side, what does Bannon have?

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Please, tell us YOUR solution to crime, and how you’re going to pay for it.

Democrats have been waiting decades to hear some POLICIES AND SOLUTIONS to everything you complain about in “blue states” and “blue cities,” yet never get to see or hear a solution put into practice.

For instance, is incarceration the answer? If so, are YOU going to build the jails? Pay for the guards? Incur the long-tailed costs of such a plan? If so, where are you going to take the money from, because I’m not seeing many places running a surplus and we are supposedly running at an economic clip that is going to fuel inflation?

You see, like most Red Staters, you are BRILLIANT at highlighting a problem, often ignoring the causes (which may have come from Red Staters!) AND the solutions, while simply using the issues as a flaming tyre around the neck of Democrats!

Show me a RED STATE that is a NET PROVIDER of income to the nation. Tell me how they did it, and how you plan to replicate it. Then, tell me what is…and is not…worth spending valuable tax dollars on, and where you’re going to get those tax dollars.

You see, ANYONE can sit in their armchair, watching Fox News or listening to EIB, and start pontificating about what is wrong here, or there, or way over there. The “That’s fucked up!” is simple (which is why most Republicans are so good at it!).

The HARD PART, however, is FIXING IT! How you implement the change, fund it, maintain it, and replicate it.

Starting NEXT WEEK, you have the House, the Senate, the Presidency, and the Supreme Court. You have CARTE FUCKING BLANCHE to fix the whole ball of wax!

You can enact ANY laws you need.
You can challenge ANY laws you don’t like.
You can change tax policy in one week.
You can enact Executive Actions.

So, Red Stater, show us the way. Lead us to enlightenment and the Promised Land.

PUT THE FUCK UP - or - SHUT THE FUCK UP!

So fucking tired of Republicans creating an economic underclass that just isn’t “bootstrappin’ hard enough” while they create tax policies that starve the nation of the money it needs, WHILE saying they need a TRILLION DOLLAR MILITARY BUDGET to project all that Murican strength….into their Red States and Red Congressional districts!

Republicans traditionally LIVE OFF THE TEAT OF BLUE STATE WORKERS, which is why we get so fucking tired of all the whining, but the complete lack of solutions.

We get tired of watching you fuck it all up, then spending the next 4-8 yrs trying to right the ship. Clinton had to do it (Arms Race & war), Obama had to do it (Great Economic Recession), and Biden had to do it (COVID debacle & recession).

Now, let’s watch Trump fuck it all up AGAIN!

I think Trump’s ambitions go beyond American this time.
He wants to fuck the whole world up, maybe.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

I think Trump’s ambitions go beyond American this time.
He wants to fuck the whole world up, maybe.

You have to view what Trump says and does with spade full of salt.

He is a master of distraction and media manipulation. He will say anything to divert away from things he doesn't want people talking about.

Trump's Greenland views are in my view 100% intended to divert away from Jimmy Carter and how much of a decent man he was and also Trump's campaign promises where he has no chance of delivering on any of it. He will do nothing about Greenland and it will all be forgotten in 6 weeks time*.

*unless he needs to distract again where he might raise this or some other BS to divert the discussion.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

I think Trump’s ambitions go beyond American this time.
He wants to fuck the whole world up, maybe.

You’ll notice it was more of a red state-blue state comment, than Trump rant. I only mentioned him at the end because he’s the new Red Prez!

I think Trump wants to be a nationalist isolationist, allowing autocrats and strongmen across the globe to have their way, while accepting him as a member of their club. He’s a “tough guy Wannabee.”

He will spout about strength while feigning it or using the military to send a message for him when he wants them to.

He’s not a thinker, or a student of history. Rather, he has a “how does this personally help me” transactional view of the world. Now, I couldn’t care less about that if he was Joe Public, but as the supposed Most Powerful Man on Earth, it scares the shit out of me, because my mind can literally not conceive of the levels to which he will stoop to line his own pockets or curry future favor. I mean, he already wears knee pads for the Saudis!

 

[Aphex]

Please, tell us YOUR solution to crime, and how you’re going to pay for it.

Democrats have been waiting decades to hear some POLICIES AND SOLUTIONS to everything you complain about in “blue states” and “blue cities,” yet never get to see or hear a solution put into practice.

For instance, is incarceration the answer? If so, are YOU going to build the jails? Pay for the guards? Incur the long-tailed costs of such a plan? If so, where are you going to take the money from, because I’m not seeing many places running a surplus and we are supposedly running at an economic clip that is going to fuel inflation?

You see, like most Red Staters, you are BRILLIANT at highlighting a problem, often ignoring the causes (which may have come from Red Staters!) AND the solutions, while simply using the issues as a flaming tyre around the neck of Democrats!

Show me a RED STATE that is a NET PROVIDER of income to the nation. Tell me how they did it, and how you plan to replicate it. Then, tell me what is…and is not…worth spending valuable tax dollars on, and where you’re going to get those tax dollars.

You see, ANYONE can sit in their armchair, watching Fox News or listening to EIB, and start pontificating about what is wrong here, or there, or way over there. The “That’s fucked up!” is simple (which is why most Republicans are so good at it!).

The HARD PART, however, is FIXING IT! How you implement the change, fund it, maintain it, and replicate it.

Starting NEXT WEEK, you have the House, the Senate, the Presidency, and the Supreme Court. You have CARTE FUCKING BLANCHE to fix the whole ball of wax!

You can enact ANY laws you need.
You can challenge ANY laws you don’t like.
You can change tax policy in one week.
You can enact Executive Actions.

So, Red Stater, show us the way. Lead us to enlightenment and the Promised Land.

PUT THE FUCK UP - or - SHUT THE FUCK UP!

So fucking tired of Republicans creating an economic underclass that just isn’t “bootstrappin’ hard enough” while they create tax policies that starve the nation of the money it needs, WHILE saying they need a TRILLION DOLLAR MILITARY BUDGET to project all that Murican strength….into their Red States and Red Congressional districts!

Republicans traditionally LIVE OFF THE TEAT OF BLUE STATE WORKERS, which is why we get so fucking tired of all the whining, but the complete lack of solutions.

We get tired of watching you fuck it all up, then spending the next 4-8 yrs trying to right the ship. Clinton had to do it (Arms Race & war), Obama had to do it (Great Economic Recession), and Biden had to do it (COVID debacle & recession).

Now, let’s watch Trump fuck it all up AGAIN!

A good start would be to stop the free bond release of such people that are serial criminals. I don't have to come with any solutions, that's what a vote is for.. and why the Democrats got emaciated in the election.

 

[Aphex]

I'll bet you're old enough to remember Jonestown, ChicagoBlue. A fanatical religious movement in Guyana, circa late 1970's. As you recall, roughly 900 of these religious fanatics ended up committing suicide, drinking cyanide-laced Kool-Aid and indeed, giving rise to the phrase, "drinking the Kool-Aid" to refer to those so deeply committed to a belief or cult that reason no longer prevails.

Aphex is a Kool-Aid drinker, far beyond reason, drunk with delusional Trump-love.

And so I ask - why are you engaging with him? He's irrational, incapable of reason, a punch-drunk sheep loyally following shepherd Trump, wherever he leads, buoyant in the affirmation that his fanatical news feeds affirm.

Talking to such is a fucking waste of time. Put him on ignore and move on.

Jesus. To have a difference of opinion is so toxic on the left. Give your head a wobble

(You probably won't see this)

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

You have to view what Trump says and does with spade full of salt.

He is a master of distraction and media manipulation. He will say anything to divert away from things he doesn't want people talking about.

Trump's Greenland views are in my view 100% intended to divert away from Jimmy Carter and how much of a decent man he was and also Trump's campaign promises where he has no chance of delivering on any of it. He will do nothing about Greenland and it will all be forgotten in 6 weeks time*.

*unless he needs to distract again where he might raise this or some other BS to divert the discussion.

The danger is with Trump is, in being a master of distraction to serve his own ends and desires he often ends up empowering the very people who he's using in the first place, such as in the now infamous 'stand back and stand by comments that practically gave all those ultra-right wing, racist knuckle draggers the green light for Jan 6.

There is nothing more dangerous than a cornered animal. Trump simply had to win the election, and Musk was pretty much the only play he had left. Mutually beneficial, but ultimately damaging to the county, and neither party give a single shit between them.