US Presidential Election, Nov 5th 2024

[threespires]

We will soon know if Trump is indeed Hitler. Will he take MSNBC and Thr View off the air. Maybe he can send those howling Yentas of the View to a FEMA built concentration camp in Wyoming-SARCASM ALERT.

Hyperbole is a good deflection technique. None of us know what will happen, but you know full well that's not how it would work anyway. Even Max Amann didn't run around sending people to the camps, at least not at first. He made life sufficiently uncomfortable that Eher could hoover up opposition publishers as distressed business assets. If we see concerted efforts to screw over dissenting outlets business models by restricting access; if he spends government time and money in licence revocation actions to disrupt and drain opposing voices and if the already outrageous 'enemy within' rhetoric and threats continue then you'll be seeing the modern day equivalent of Eher-Verlag in action. We have already seen owners of publications 'choose' not to publish pre-election editorials supporting his opposition despite their editorial boards desire to do so, do you think that's a healthy situation?

The situation is made more complicated by the fact that traditional media has been so disrupted by technology advances that been allowed to establish themselves in such an ungoverned fashion and that these technologies are by and large in the hands of de-facto plutocrats. Anybody who looks at Trumps current relationship with Musk and doesn't feel that's a threat to democracy is either disingenuous or not paying attention.

 

[WT86]

I fear this is true.
My present government gained a lot of respect over here for the vocal stance they took against what Israel is doing and the plight of the Palestinian people, even though there are those that still point out that American planes heading there are still allowed refuel at Shannon.

I do however wonder what will happen now. Will American multinationals pull out of Ireland if they are forced to pay more taxes in America.

And what will our government’s stance be to placate them and ultimately Trump.

Trump getting in always was going to have wider implications for Europe and beyond.

Some of the 2017 Trump tax changes sunset next year, and I expect there's going to be further action on the Ireland issue and base erosion generally, whether directly or by lowering the US corporate rate. In my view Ireland has been on borrowed time with respect to American tax revenues for years now as it's an easy spot to gain revenue without alienating anyone domestically. We'll see.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Factual? Wow that would be a shit show as I think they have all the numbers to put anyone on. Be surprised if Don Jr isnt on there too.

Trending on a number of right wing sites now .... Clarence knows a good pay-packet when he sees it ... and its down to the DOJ for not taking action when the corruption became plain for all to see.

 

[Blue Maverick]

Did you expect it to?

Who are you admonishing with this rhetorical question?

I was been facetious, I thought Trump would’ve been on the phone by now.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Rogan's been pretty open about his disillusionment with the Democratic Party. But that's like a number of people! Musk used to be a democrat. Plus millions of Americans by the look of the latest vote count.

Whilst I would have voted for Harris (if I was a US citizen) I actually don't think criticising people for turning and voting for the other party is healthy nor productive. The question you want to be asking is why? Politics should never be treated like a football team IMO, where you nail your support to the team and live and die by that decision, enjoying the highs and lows. And us city fans can relate to that more than anyone! But in politics I'd argue it's actually important at times to switch as policies and needs and the environment all fluctuate.

The bitter pill to swallow is that people have switched to a party led by a pretty abhorrent individual. I get that. But we still need to ask and figure out why otherwise we'll just remain polarised and angry.

Why?

Because the candidate who won is willing to lie, cheat and steal at the expense of anyone and everyone else to win -- his entire life -- and nearly everyone else save a few on his coattails/in his orbit aren't.

Back to what I've brought up before: the Keyser Soze playbook. You don't need money, or guns or people. You just need the will to do what the other person won't.

So until a Democrat -- or Democrats -- decide to lower themselves to a similar level, they will never match up. Nor by the way will any Republicans who don't (look at the dozens with tremendous experience and a direct working relationship who refused to endorse him -- they are now out, forever). The blueprint has been drawn up -- written in stone, actually. In 2016, it was different. There were plenty of questions about Trump would be. This time there are none. And he won by a landslide.

What policy set, what personality, can ever match up with someone willing to be who Trump is and do what he has done to win?

None can. None ever will. There is no way to defeat it now, not after this. MAGA has won; traditional conservatives will be even more marginalized and disappear entirely; Vance will win the nomination in 2028, probably with Don Jr. as VP and win in a walk in any economic scenario other than depression.

 

[fulabeer]

 

[WT86]

Because the candidate who won is willing to lie, cheat and steal at the expense of anyone and everyone else to win -- his entire life -- and nearly everyone else save a few on his coattails/in his orbit aren't.

Back to what I've brought up before: the Keyser Soze playbook. You don't need money, or guns or people. You just need the will to do what the other person won't.

So until a Democrat -- or Democrats -- decide to lower themselves to a similar level, they will never match up. Nor by the way will any Republicans who don't (look at the dozens with tremendous experience and a direct working relationship who refused to endorse him). The blueprint has been drawn up -- written in stone, actually. In 2016, it was different. There were plenty of questions about Trump would be. This time there are none. And he won by a landslide.

What policy set, what personality, can ever match up with someone willing to be who Trump is and do what he has done to win?

None can. None ever will. There is no way to defeat it now, not after this.

Biden beat the same person 4 years ago.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Biden beat the same person 4 years ago.

The same person?? He's a far, far, far WORSE person and Kamala got smashed. That's my point.

Seeing this result, do you really believe Biden now would have won had there not been a one-in-100 year pandemic? Then Trump claimed the entire election was a fraud and then sat around while 1/6 happened and became a felon. And he won in a landslide.

As I said -- it will take a depression.

 

[Blue Maverick]

The same person?? He's a far, far, far WORSE person and Kamala got smashed. That's my point.

Seeing this result, do you really believe Biden now would have won had there not been a one-in-100 year pandemic? Then Trump claimed the entire election was a fraud and then sat around while 1/6 happened and became a felon. And he won in a landslide.

As I said -- it will take a depression.

Sadly I think you’re right, politics has changed forever and now MAGA have got hold there’s no way in hell they will give it up, the next election they will say it’s stolen again or change the rules so they do win, the only way Democrats get back in is if the economy tanks again.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

OK we all know the result now, no need for the BBC to have 10 articles a day on the US election, it's boring.