US Presidential Election, Nov 5th 2024

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Surely Harris cannot certify this election and allow Hitler to take power. Maybe she really didn’t believe it and said it with a nod and a wink in an attempt to get elected. Although many really believe it.

We will soon know if Trump is indeed Hitler. Will he take MSNBC and Thr View off the air. Maybe he can send those howling Yentas of the View to a FEMA built concentration camp in Wyoming-SARCASM ALERT.
 
Elbow beards said:
For all the British Trumpians on here.
www.theguardian.com

Trump tariffs would halve UK growth and push up prices, says thinktank

NIESR warns British economy would be one of the worst affected by protectionist policies
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Tariffs are a simplistic answer to very complex issues, and are much beloved by the hard of thinking, they certainly have their place especially when another country is dumping produce on you in an effort to kill domestic production (Chinese Steel and EV;s ) but just to apply tariff's on say European Wine would just invite Europe to put Tariffs on American products, it's not helpful and will just push up costs and inflation especially in the US
 
inbetween said:
Illegal migration into the UK is actually a bit different because most of 'illegal' migration into the UK actually ends up being legal because the people who do come on the boats for example are coming to claim asylum. There is an argument for safe routes but that would be problematic and no such thing exists anywhere in the world, not even in Europe where just like the Channel hundreds have drowned in the Meditteranean.

In the US it's very different, the people coming over the Mexican border are not claiming asylum, they're entering to live and work in the US illegally. Illegal immigration is what Trump intends to target and legal migration will broadly remain the same albeit he'll probably stop the green card lottery and maybe tighten the rules on family visas.

In the context of racism or fascism and Trump, this type of border control and immigration policy can't possibly be racist or fascist and I don't even see why it is controversial. A second point is if the US actually was a racist/fascist place then why on earth would anybody of those races want to emigrate there?
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Your last line-BINGO- you got it in one !!
 
Kamaro011 said:
Biden administration is not better either, they are the one that makes Gaza looks like hell hole right now. Doesn't matter jack shit both party will support Israel no matter what.
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I fear this is true.
My present government gained a lot of respect over here for the vocal stance they took against what Israel is doing and the plight of the Palestinian people, even though there are those that still point out that American planes heading there are still allowed refuel at Shannon.

I do however wonder what will happen now. Will American multinationals pull out of Ireland if they are forced to pay more taxes in America.

And what will our government’s stance be to placate them and ultimately Trump.

Trump getting in always was going to have wider implications for Europe and beyond.
 
inbetween said:
One of the biggest frustrations for people is the rise of minority politics such as gender politics. These have become huge issues but I have never spoken to a single person who understands it let alone is bothered. Even our nieces and nephews in their early 20's groan when gender politics comes up in the news. Trump made it clear that these weren't going to be priorities for his administration but it clearly was for the Democrats.

As much as I can't stand Trump, his rhetoric and he is an awful person, the issues he does speak about are important to somebody like me, though I don't necessarily agree with the ways he will fix those problems! In the UK I am worried about the economy, immigration and safety. I can see how people may feel backed into a corner when those issues are marginalised and not given priority.

We're seeing it now in the UK where anybody with a concern over immigration is now suddenly being labelled as far-right. So in 4-5 years time you can imagine that the Tories will get in again on an anti-immigration ticket and suddenly people will be saying that the entire country is fascist and racist.

The only way the same won't happen here is if Labour stands up and tackles these difficult problems as a government that stands for everyone. So far I'm not so sure they will and then the end result will be inevitable.
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2 reflective posts in one day. My Lord, I never thought I'd see that day here. But by God, I'm glad to see it.
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
I fear this is true.
My present government gained a lot of respect over here for the vocal stance they took against what Israel is doing and the plight of the Palestinian people, even though there are those that still point out that American planes heading there are still allowed refuel at Shannon.

I do however wonder what will happen now. Will American multinationals pull out of Ireland if they are forced to pay more taxes in America.

And what will our government’s stance be to placate them and ultimately Trump.

Trump getting in always was going to have wider implications for Europe and beyond.
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I take it you an Irish people?

Then i salute you people for being one of very few western nation that consistent on what happening around Palestine.
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
I fear this is true.
My present government gained a lot of respect over here for the vocal stance they took against what Israel is doing and the plight of the Palestinian people, even though there are those that still point out that American planes heading there are still allowed refuel at Shannon.

I do however wonder what will happen now. Will American multinationals pull out of Ireland if they are forced to pay more taxes in America.

And what will our government’s stance be to placate them and ultimately Trump.

Trump getting in always was going to have wider implications for Europe and beyond.
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Why don't Ireland pull all trade out of the US if they're so concerned about the Palestinian issue? This is where the disconnect between populations exist.

The vast majority of people are shocked about what's happening in the Middle East but largely it does not affect them so they're not going to demand to impoverish themselves over it. Therefore that issue is irrelevant really because the flights will continue and the trade will continue.

I know this doesn't apply to Ireland but certainly the UK gained very little from the last administration so it doesn't really matter either way. It certainly doesn't help that the starting pistol for the UK-Trump relationship is that the Labour Party is on record as going so far as to actively campaign against Trump in this election.
 
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