VAR - 2020/21

[ChicagoBlue]

Yes that is correct, the problem is VAR did not disallow it for the correct reason. Are they actually doing anything at Stockley Park - would we know if they had had a powercut, gone to brew up, had a fire drill? We never see them, hear them or have them interviewed after the game. They are unaccountable to us the paying public and frankly that stinks.

The media should be allowed to request explanations of key decisions in the game. EVERYONE should be accountable.

And, I’m in favor of having their mikes recorded and even live! Watched Fulham game the other week, where Soucek was sent off for the elbow to the face. Mike Dean is the ref and Scott Parker is walking off the field talking to him. Dean take the earpiece out and grabs the mike in his hand on his chest so the conversation can’t even be heard by the other refs!!

If Dean is saying something to Parker that he doesn’t want people to hear, that’s when it SHOULD BE HEARD!!!

On ESPN, there’s a 10-15min documentary film about a ref doing a game in Switzerland. You hear what he is saying to the other officials, getting help from them, telling them things, and even talking to the players. It’s a great little documentary and it should be the norm. In fact, in the era of global TV and the ability to pick streams, I’d rather have a stream WITHOUT COMMENTATORS (who seem to believe we are all looking for verbal diarrhea!) and the officials talking, both to each other and to players.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Yes that is correct, the problem is VAR did not disallow it for the correct reason. Are they actually doing anything at Stockley Park - would we know if they had had a powercut, gone to brew up, had a fire drill? We never see them, hear them or have them interviewed after the game. They are unaccountable to us the paying public and frankly that stinks.

I imagine that the offside probably wasn't working properly so they had to cover it up by overturning it for the non-foul once they realised they would get called out if they allowed it to stand. That's my theory anyway.

 

[aguero93:20]

The media should be allowed to request explanations of key decisions in the game. EVERYONE should be accountable.

And, I’m in favor of having their mikes recorded and even live! Watched Fulham game the other week, where Soucek was sent off for the elbow to the face. Mike Dean is the ref and Scott Parker is walking off the field talking to him. Dean take the earpiece out and grabs the mike in his hand on his chest so the conversation can’t even be heard by the other refs!!

If Dean is saying something to Parker that he doesn’t want people to hear, that’s when it SHOULD BE HEARD!!!

On ESPN, there’s a 10-15min documentary film about a ref doing a game in Switzerland. You hear what he is saying to the other officials, getting help from them, telling them things, and even talking to the players. It’s a great little documentary and it should be the norm. In fact, in the era of global TV and the ability to pick streams, I’d rather have a stream WITHOUT COMMENTATORS (who seem to believe we are all looking for verbal diarrhea!) and the officials talking, both to each other and to players.

Don't see the point of in game commentators for televised sport anyway, it's just an outdated concept carried over from radio broadcast. At the very least they should get rid of the 'colour commentator' more than half the time the shite they're talking has nothing to do with the teams playing never mind what's going on in the game.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

you’re in majority in the real world that favour Var but want it improved.

some on here will make out that you are a WUM c*nt that’s ruined the game for having that view

Are you misrepresenting opinion poll data again @bluehammer? Here is a ComRes one from December

 

[iceman]

So no Var if a player punches another player in the face or stamps on him behind the refs back , Let that go unpunished?

No obviously use it for that? I'm talking about looking back over play to see if you can allow a goal or not for an armpit offside which is spoiling the thing which makes football great that is celebrating a goal when the ball hits the net yes?

 

[aguero93:20]

Are you misrepresenting opinion poll data again @bluehammer? Here is a ComRes one from December

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How much of that is to do with how it's being implemented though?
Imo if it went back to basics and only corrected clear and obvious offside errors and refereeing howlers with the officials miced up you'd get a much different result on that poll.

 

[KentBlue]

It's the veil of secrecy that pisses most supporters off. If these officials are never called to account for their actions on the field they will continue doing whatever they want without repercussions.
It is an absolutely bizarre situation: a club might need a draw on the last day of the season to avoid relegation, and thus lose the kudos and the gate money from playing in the Premier league. Then at 0-0 in the 96th minute the ref can spot an infringement that nobody else sees and give a penalty against the team needing the point. Game ends 1-0 and a club is relegated. Less money coming in for them, staff being let go, cut-backs all round - and all this because of one man's decision. One man who had an entire football club's destiny in his hands gave a penalty that no one else saw, and sent one club down to the lower leagues. That man then walks off the pitch and is never ever asked about the incident again. Never forced to say why he gave the penalty. And it will go to his grave with him: nobody will ever know because of this veil of secrecy that I mentioned before.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

How much of that is to do with how it's being implemented though?
Imo if it went back to basics and only corrected clear and obvious offside errors and refereeing howlers with the officials miced up you'd get a much different result on that poll.

It’s been running nearly 2 years now. There isn’t sign of any reform either is there? It’s terrible and saying it will get better sounds like blind hope to me. Also (not you mate) pretending that most people are fine with it is highly disingenuous

 

[aguero93:20]

It’s been running nearly 2 years now. There isn’t sign of any reform either is there? It’s terrible and saying it will get better sounds like blind hope to me. Also (not you mate) pretending that most people are fine with it is highly disingenuous

I'm not saying people are fine with it and I'm not saying I've any faith in it changing (unless it's IFAB mandated). I'm saying VAR isn't the issue, the implementation is.

 

[metalblue]

Are you misrepresenting opinion poll data again @bluehammer? Here is a ComRes one from December

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I wonder what those numbers would look like if they asked only match going fans. It’s killed the match day for me, I’d rather have the honest mistakes than this shit show.

It needs a radical overhaul. Maybe only have the captains ask for an incident to be reviewed and they are allowed only a couple or so “challenges” per game would help? That way when your player says never touched the **** and he went down like a sack you can have it reviewed. Otherwise you end up with this farce where someone’s finger was offside.