VAR - 2020/21

[KentBlue]

VAR is good for the game. Its the clowns who operate it and them hiding away wirh no-one to answer to, who are the problem.

This.100%.

Apart from the favoured red tops, all club fans should bond together on this issue and demand something is done to remove the shroud of secrecy that currently exists at pigmol.
It is absolutely disgraceful that in the 21st century British football (a multi-billion pound industry, don't forget) is run by a small group of faceless individuals who answer to no one. Not a single person.
If Riley and his mates don't want us to win the Prem there is sweet fuck all we can do about it...and we are paying for the privilege! If he wants to ensure a certain team are relegated there's nothing they can do about it, either.

I've said this many times before, and I'll repeat myself here because I'm a sad, Billy-no-Mates with lots of time on my hands, a gargantuan appetite for beer and Monty Python, and an unhealthy interest in female underwear, but it is only going to get worse. Some deranged supporter somewhere will attack one of the officials at a game after being continuously wound up once too often by a ref's 'make-it-up-as-I-go-along' farcical approach to the rules of the game.

 

[dennishasdoneit]

They are a package though aren’t they. It would be nice to say I’d like the tech but not the people, but you can’t have it like that. It is a tool being used to influence results

Absolutely.

 

[StillBluessinceHydeRoad]

After the non-penalty for Phil in the Southampton match and the report in the Sun there are certainly questions about who actually controls VAR and whether it's being used at all. But beyond that there has to be much more open anf full discussion about what is being applied. I don't mean more directives from FIFA or UEFA or a document on rule changes produced by the likes of Messrs Gill, Agnelli and Rumenigge (with special guest appearance now by Snr Joan Laporta) issued after coffee in a Boston bar courtesy Mr Henry. Those involved in top class football need to reach a consensus on what constitutes offside without a ten minute investigation behind closed doors, what is handball without calling in expert testimony from a consultant anatomist and what is violent play. VAR worked fine in the 2018 world cup but it's been really sabotaged since.

 

[Nightmare Walking]

This.100%.

Apart from the favoured red tops, all club fans should bond together on this issue and demand something is done to remove the shroud of secrecy that currently exists at pigmol.
It is absolutely disgraceful that in the 21st century British football (a multi-billion pound industry, don't forget) is run by a small group of faceless individuals who answer to no one. Not a single person.
If Riley and his mates don't want us to win the Prem there is sweet fuck all we can do about it...and we are paying for the privilege! If he wants to ensure a certain team are relegated there's nothing they can do about it, either.

I've said this many times before, and I'll repeat myself here because I'm a sad, Billy-no-Mates with lots of time on my hands, a gargantuan appetite for beer and Monty Python, and an unhealthy interest in female underwear, but it is only going to get worse. Some deranged supporter somewhere will attack one of the officials at a game after being continuously wound up once too often by a ref's 'make-it-up-as-I-go-along' farcical approach to the rules of the game.

My own view on this, is that nothing should be being checked by VAR. Each team should get one referal each game. If a team is certain a mistake has been made then they get to appeal. The onfield captain has to appeal and he has 15 seconds frmm the next break in play.
The replays should then go up on the big screen and the ref should be the one who makes the decision. Have him mic'ed up and everyone should know how many camera angles are available.
It stops continuous breaks in play and there is full transparency.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

After the non-penalty for Phil in the Southampton match and the report in the Sun there are certainly questions about who actually controls VAR and whether it's being used at all. But beyond that there has to be much more open anf full discussion about what is being applied. I don't mean more directives from FIFA or UEFA or a document on rule changes produced by the likes of Messrs Gill, Agnelli and Rumenigge (with special guest appearance now by Snr Joan Laporta) issued after coffee in a Boston bar courtesy Mr Henry. Those involved in top class football need to reach a consensus on what constitutes offside without a ten minute investigation behind closed doors, what is handball without calling in expert testimony from a consultant anatomist and what is violent play. VAR worked fine in the 2018 world cup but it's been really sabotaged since.

The whole situation is such a f*cking mess. Even if it wasn't corrupt (which most of us believe it is to some degree), it is far from transparent and accountable which in turn leave the authorities open to accusations of corruption in the first place.

When some unqualified no-mark in the VAR control room is using their position to influence the outcome of a whether an incident is penalty or not then we might as well just accept that the beautiful game is no more and we'd be better off watching WWE wrestling instead where at least they don't really try and pretend it isn't scripted b*llshit.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

I think VAR might be the catalyst for change itself as its showing just how undeniably poor or corrupt PiGMOL are.

Or we could just get rid of it and go back to muttering about 'pace of the game' while a fat rag waddles around the pitch giving them every 50-50 and penalty shout and a bald rag gets every Manchester Derby and gives us fuck all and them everything.

I’m not sure it’s as revolutionarly different. Still tonnes of bad decisions with VAR. And who is highlighting any of them and doing anything about it. It’s almost as if the ability to manipulate games is not a concern for governing bodies?

I love optimism but I don’t see any sign of anything changing anytime soon.

there will need to be a whistleblower

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Any other media reported the whistleblower from the Sun, or any big name made a fuss of it?

Thought not, and that’s all we need to know. All in it for their own ends.

 

[Gazza]

My own view on this, is that nothing should be being checked by VAR. Each team should get one referal each game. If a team is certain a mistake has been made then they get to appeal. The onfield captain has to appeal and he has 15 seconds frmm the next break in play.
The replays should then go up on the big screen and the ref should be the one who makes the decision. Have him mic'ed up and everyone should know how many camera angles are available.
It stops continuous breaks in play and there is full transparency.

I must add, if you win the appeal you should still have that appeal to use later.

Somebody really needs to investigate or challenge the large pot of money referees get on their retirement in exchange for their silence.

 

[Bozzie]

Any other media reported the whistleblower from the Sun, or any big name made a fuss of it?

Thought not, and that’s all we need to know. All in it for their own ends.

In a nutshell ... the silence from every other media outlet is deafening!

 

[1961_vintage]

Give me multiple camera angles and perspectives and the slow-mo zoom tech and I'm pretty certain that, if I wanted to, I could find a reason to disallow a goal. Put me on VAR for a rag game and I'm certain of it.

Unfortunately the reverse is being applied to our games by people who have much to lose and will stop at nothing to prevent the rise of City to the top of European football's elite.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

Give me multiple camera angles and perspectives and the slow-mo zoom tech and I'm pretty certain that, if I wanted to, I could find a reason to disallow a goal. Put me on VAR for a rag game and I'm certain of it.

Unfortunately the reverse is being applied to our games by people who have much to lose and will stop at nothing to prevent the rise of City to the top of European football's elite.

Absolutely. I call it the 50/50 decisions that can always go either way and no one can really complain. But nowadays with VAR, 80/20 calls, even 100% calls are being regarded as 50/50 calls where they can give whatever they want.

"They" can equal anyone nowadays :

VAR shambles as chiefs with NO football experience 'overruling referees at Stockley Park'

VAR commanders with no authority in the Premier League are astonishingly over-ruling referees, it has been claimed. Former ref Mark Halsey has learned VAR Andy Madley was told by commander Adam Car…

www.thesun.co.uk

"Former ref Mark Halsey has learned VAR Andy Madley was told by commander Adam Carter NOT to award Manchester City’s Phil Foden a blatant penalty against Southampton last week."

Who the fuck is Adam Carter!? Well this is who (From the Sun back in 2019)

Prem VAR head official is data analyst who has NEVER been a top referee

PREMIER LEAGUE officials have been left stunned by one of the managers appointed to run their Video Assistant Referees. And that is because Adam Carter, who will be one of three control commanders …

www.thesun.co.uk

I've always said too many decision makers means there is more opportunity for bias, I preffered it when it was just the ref we didnt trust. I want those days back, I dont like football being stopped all the time to give decisions that are as ridiculous as pre-VAR days.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

They'll just deny this var match commander influenced the decision in any way, and move on. Too easy for them to cover for each other. This guy, and the var referee, should be the subject of an immediate investigation. If proven to be rubbish, then fine.

The conversations they have need to be audible. If we can hear and even see their decision making process then we have less to query.

The fact that they are so against it, and as said above that the very issue is largely ignored, does not speak well for the legitimacy of the competition. They are already wired up, they just won't let anyone hear it. Why? Fear the bench will hear it? So what, if it's the right decision?

I suspect very much that there are some seriously well rounded pigs at the premier league trough who are standing on this one. Inevitable that any moneymaking sport will attract certain sorts, the fact that we hear so little about initiatives to combat it and are led to believe it doesn't even exist, are puzzling.

The LotG are public knowledge. We should know how they are interpreting those laws and whether their interpretation is valid according to the published laws. The fact that they appear to oppose any real time publication just leads even ordinary, non-conspiracy-minded individuals to question any motive. And the Foden incident just outlines where the system is completely failing the fans and the sport. If they had come out with the notion that it was clear the goalie had a shoe lace on the ball then yer can sigh, shake yer head and wish for a better set of lenses on the camera, a greater range of angles from which to derive at the clearest decision. The fact that the wanker simply endorses the poor view Jonny One Lung had makes it demonstrably clear it's manipulated. Every VAR decision and perusal should be shown on the big screen - end of!

 

[Bodicoteblue]

The LotG are public knowledge. We should know how they are interpreting those laws and whether their interpretation is valid according to the published laws. The fact that they appear to oppose any real time publication just leads even ordinary, non-conspiracy-minded individuals to question any motive. And the Foden incident just outlines where the system is completely failing the fans and the sport. If they had come out with the notion that it was clear the goalie had a shoe lace on the ball then yer can sigh, shake yer head and wish for a better set of lenses on the camera, a greater range of angles from which to derive at the clearest decision. The fact that the wanker simply endorses the poor view Jonny One Lung had makes it demonstrably clear it's manipulated. Every VAR decision and perusal should be shown on the big screen - end of!

Watch any of the 6 nations or test cricket - close decisions analysed before your very eyes with commentary and explanations from video refs/umpires.
It works - it‘s not rocket science - unless of course, you want it to be.
Anyway, are all the qualified refs in the caravan so testicularly challenged that they just obey an unqualified analyst without question?

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

Watch any of the 6 nations or test cricket - close decisions analysed before your very eyes with commentary and explanations from video refs/umpires.
It works - it‘s not rocket science - unless of course, you want it to be.
Anyway, are all the qualified refs in the caravan so testicularly challenged that they just obey an unqualified analyst without question?

Seemingly the answer is yes.

 

[creditunionhero]

Watching var being manipulated this season has been awful. However I don't know which is worse, being in the ground and not having a clue why decisions have been made or actually being able to see the cheating on the tele.

Either way is appalling, but at the very least paying fans in the ground are entitled to see what others can see in their armchairs. Next season we must be able to see what the hell is going on and not leave paying fans in the dark, having to wait till getting home to find out why a decision was made.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Watch any of the 6 nations or test cricket - close decisions analysed before your very eyes with commentary and explanations from video refs/umpires.
It works - it‘s not rocket science - unless of course, you want it to be.
Anyway, are all the qualified refs in the caravan so testicularly challenged that they just obey an unqualified analyst without question?

I'm just watching the T20 India v England and the whole system is so refreshing. The issue is slightly different in that cricket doesn't move around as much as football, but I fail to see how multiple camera angles, first class technology and a clear grasp of the LotG deliver a decision such as the Foden stonewall pen not being given. It might be that the application of the LotG by the wankers in the shed isn't quite 'first class'!

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

So, apart from the article in the Sun yesterday, gas this latest VAR 'scandal' been on any other Media outlet?

BT certainly haven't given it any air time (unless I blinked).

 

[Blue Mist]

Nothing wrong with the technology it's the muppets and crooks implementing it. Don't see how anything has changed there.

The initials stand for Video Assistant Referee. I am not having a go at the technology, I am calling out the corrupt fuckers that do not even bother to use it AND the posters on here that defend them.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

The initials stand for Video Assistant Referee. I am not having a go at the technology, I am calling out the corrupt fuckers that do not even bother to use it AND the posters on here that defend them.

The technology they use for offside is fatally flawed in that there is an inbuilt margin of error which makes it EASY to be manipulated by the corrupt fuckers operating it.

 

[hertsblue]

Watching France V Wales in the rugby and its chalk and cheese to how Var is used. Referee talks to both teams, you listen to the conversation between referee and video check official, clear communications thats respected by both teams. How can Var be so awful compared to this