VAR - 2020/21

[Xhavenjoe]

Yeah to be fair that’s what I was thinking but give her the benefit of doubt what other reason could there be apart from genuine mistake or doing us over, can’t remember any other incidents involving her and us mate ...

I think she put up the flag to let the ref know she'd spotted Sergio in the crowd and was worried that he was going to give her another cuddle.

 

[samarasra]

Because often it takes 4 or 5 minutes for them to make a decision and often it is still not the correct one.
VAR was in our favour tonight but it is not good for the game, it slows it down, the idiots are inconsistent in the decisions they make and it is killing football.

Var is not the problem, the problem is it's being used by human officials, who may be incompetent or inconsistent or both. That is exactly the same problem we had before Var. Even if it allows a small increase in correct decisions it is worth it. Some rules should be re worded to make some decisions more clear cut and minimise the possibility of human failings. The introduction of goal line cameras allowed a much improved judgement of whether a ball went completely over the goal line despite the usual whinging about how it would ruin the game. When was the last time you saw a 5 minute wait for a decision.

 

[samarasra]

Tbf I've always thought of her has been as being fair and above board.

But that has now been a few occasions where she has tried to do us over.

I have seen her at the PiGMOB inset sessions at StGeorges where they are taught how to shit on Manchester City.

Unless we have proof she was trying to "do us over" why not accept she made a human error. There are enough conspiracy theories floating about already without another baseless crap theory growing wings.

 

[samarasra]

Is it really killing football ? Honestly ?

Global viewing is at an all time high.
Attendances will rocket back after the pandemic, and look how many on here say they are finished with the game then we have hundreds of pages in the match day threads.

VAR hasn’t killed the game at all.

Right. Why seethe for weeks over some perceived injustice when technology can be used to get a higher percentage of decisions right. Maybe some fans miss having a fall guy to vent their spleen on when something goes against their team.

 

[FantasyIreland]

Farcical.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

City scored another goal again. Clearly some changes need to be made. Perhaps another clarification.

 

[remember arthur mann]

City scored another goal again. Clearly some changes need to be made. Perhaps another clarification.

Nah, two highly contentious decisions to con the footballing world that we're getting a fair rub of the green, won't be long now for a massive reversal to do us over good style.

 

[Sir peace frog]

she made a honest mistake imo, they guy keeping bernado onside was on the other side of the pitch, bernardo would of been blocking him, she shouldn't have put the flag up though until the phase of play had ended.

 

[Gray]

and it is still shite. I was always told you cannot have 2 masters. Massey believed the passage of play had finished so she flagged for offside, the ref should have blown when she flagged, he didnt and now we have this farce.

We either have linesmen or we have VAR we cannot have both. VAR and the people using it are making football a joke. How is Msssey meant to decide when the attack is over to put her flag up ?

Why didn’t she just leave it down then, as she was supposed to do?

 

[shemnel]

in the match day thread i stated i had no sympathy for Brom last night re the Massey flag, and i still dont, everyone knows you play to the ref, but there is one aspect of this that is a bit annoying....

in one of our games a few weeks back (cant remember who) there was a liner who was particularly reluctant to flag until about 15 seconds later, even when the offside was ridiculous. On two of those occasions, the forward for them played on full bloodedly (as is his right with no flag or whistle) but both of the occasions involved quite nasty 50/50s. Ball went off and the whistle went for offside.

The commentators picked up on it and it would be the most needless cause of injury.

 

[bluetonium]

Having watched the replay of the 'offside' goal from last night a few times now, the only thing I can think of is that she thought one passage of play was ending and an immediate goalscoring opportunity was not there.

Evidently she was wrong on both counts, her flag should stay down under the rules until the ball is in the net, out of play, turned over or momentum lost. But with VAR on the prowl, all we can say is it's an error as she must have known it would be picked up. If we lose the ball, West Brom break and have a goal scoring chance, who wants the game pulling back for a possible offisde then?

I think most of us still had doubts over the VAR review, as the lines they have drawn this season and last have been extremeley inconsistent - armpits, toes, different thicknesses etc.. it just created mistrust although they say they are tweaking rules for the better. And nobody likes the wait.

By flagging early she denies herself the best opportunity to see the rest of the play as she is now rooted to the spot, perhaps forgetting that she can and indeed should instead raise her flag at the end of that play, whatever the outcome.

I would say, whilst absolutely correct to play on, the referee almost freezes as much as the west brom defence and he really should have held up both arms to signal play on. Beecause he does not, we are percieved to have gained an advantage over west brom because they were looking at the officials rather than playing to the whistle. Or playing to the rules, as it is otherwise known.

I think the only thing they can accuse us of benefitting from this time is west brom not playing to the whistle. So, unless they change the rules to stop play if one side loses concentration, gets distracted or fancies a chat to a mate, then Carry on City :)

 

[Blue Mist]

Why didn’t she just leave it down then, as she was supposed to do?

Why have them at all, their only job now is to give throw ins. Let's leave all the decisions to var as it works so well.

According to some that is.

 

[gorton guvnor]

Beginning to like this VAR malarkey

 

[The Future is Blue]

No doubt another rule change will be announced shortly....looking forward to further changes following our thumping of Sheff Utd on Saturday!

 

[BlueHammer85]

Why have them at all, their only job now is to give throw ins. Let's leave all the decisions to var as it works so well.

According to some that is.

afraid i agree, refs and linos just can not cope with the modern game and the speed of it - this is evident now in games without VAR, almost on a weekly basis in the championship and the FA Cup has highlighted how bad offcials are by themselves.

 

[Bob Hope]

Lino flags Man City offside.
Cancelo with a brilliant finish.
VAR shows he was onside.
Goal stands.

what a shame that would normally have been ruled out.

It still was a total shambles, aren't the linesman supposed to keep there flag down on tight calls?

 

[BlueHammer85]

It still was a total shambles, aren't the linesman supposed to keep there flag down on tight calls?

yep, think so. Lino's will never be that good and always get it wrong. they need help.

 

[Gray]

Having watched the replay of the 'offside' goal from last night a few times now, the only thing I can think of is that she thought one passage of play was ending and an immediate goalscoring opportunity was not there.

Evidently she was wrong on both counts, her flag should stay down under the rules until the ball is in the net, out of play, turned over or momentum lost. But with VAR on the prowl, all we can say is it's an error as she must have known it would be picked up. If we lose the ball, West Brom break and have a goal scoring chance, who wants the game pulling back for a possible offisde then?

I think most of us still had doubts over the VAR review, as the lines they have drawn this season and last have been extremeley inconsistent - armpits, toes, different thicknesses etc.. it just created mistrust although they say they are tweaking rules for the better. And nobody likes the wait.

By flagging early she denies herself the best opportunity to see the rest of the play as she is now rooted to the spot, perhaps forgetting that she can and indeed should instead raise her flag at the end of that play, whatever the outcome.

I would say, whilst absolutely correct to play on, the referee almost freezes as much as the west brom defence and he really should have held up both arms to signal play on. Beecause he does not, we are percieved to have gained an advantage over west brom because they were looking at the officials rather than playing to the whistle. Or playing to the rules, as it is otherwise known.

I think the only thing they can accuse us of benefitting from this time is west brom not playing to the whistle. So, unless they change the rules to stop play if one side loses concentration, gets distracted or fancies a chat to a mate, then Carry on City :)

Just to sum up your excellent post:- The Officials are basically rubbish at their jobs!

 

[Gray]

It still was a total shambles, aren't the linesman supposed to keep there flag down on tight calls?

Because she is a woman she will probably be downgraded or sacked unlike that tit at West Ham who couldn't see Milner at least a yard offside whilst only feet from him.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

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I think the only thing they can accuse us of benefitting from this time is west brom not playing to the whistle. So, unless they change the rules to stop play if one side loses concentration, gets distracted or fancies a chat to a mate, then Carry on City :)

I await the first Rag or Dipper to wander up to the ref after an oppo player has just blasted a direct free kick into their net from 40 yards "Excuse me, sir, but could they take that again? I think my left shoulder wasn't ready!"