Var debate 2019/20

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Fans have power but because of the tribalism in football we won’t come together but I tell you now we absolutely need to get organised & stop this vile concept that will ruin the game, they’re taking our game off us & repackaging it for tv round the world , dreading next year to watch the game I used to love changed forever.

Dippers, Haringey and Raggies are out!

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

You were all happy you got a pen in the first leg vs Spurs, and I doubt anyone complained about VAR then, even if it was a poor decision.

Under the rules and directives it was the right decision. Harsh, but correct. That is, not poor.

However, I said at the time I was uncomfortable with it. I think officials think the same way, they have to give it but know it's soft. The game often feels different afterwards and we don't get those small decisions for a while after.

 

[Steve Hatton]

I hate VAR with a passion. Its a spontaneous sport and refereeing mistakes are part of that for me. I’ve never seen a game in 50 years where the ref made more errors than our team. Should we only celebrate goals once the other team kick off for the restart? If so it’s not for me any more.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

I guess I just think that when he didn’t see anything definitive from the left side of the screen, if he had just looked at the right side ONE SINGLE TIME he would have seen what he needed. Didn’t do it, so only saw one single view out of possibly four or five available.

Surely he is able to ask to see every angle? Or, ask to see a different angle again?

It just didn’t make sense on such an important call to just see one angle, shrug your shoulders, and say “Fuck it, goal!”

It makes me wonder whether he was told that what he saw was the only angle available. When you see a try in rugby where five or six players are locked in a tackle and take the ball over the line, we see a multitude of angles. It's standard. And the fans see everything the ref sees. Just why do we not have that in football. I have long complained that there is little vision in the governance of football and that might be one reason why they are so painstakingly slow at adopting anything that other sports embrace, or it might be what I would label as having a selection of preferred outcomes, and being able to choose the one they like best!!

 

[Newman Noggs]

VAR is working exactly the way it was intended to.

 

[Bill]

Shame really last night's game was one of the best I've seen at the etihad

It sure was, and wd hope for more, only next year I'll be watching on tv. 60 quid better off and tucked up in bed 10 mins after the final whistle.

 

[Stoned Rose]

When you lost last years CL tie to Liverpool, salah was clearly offside for the first goal at Anfield. VAR would have rightly ruled him offside. You all would have been happy. The Milner deflection- 2nd leg - VAR would have given the goal to Sane. People were wishing they had VAR.

You were all happy you got a pen in the first leg vs Spurs, and I doubt anyone complained about VAR then, even if it was a poor decision. The 3rd Spurs goal last night would have been harsh if disallowed. Goes in off his hip. Aguerro was offside. Unlucky, but correct decision. I wasn't arsed about who won. Correct decisions were made. Whether VAR is any good for the game is debateable.

VAR has changed the game for better or for worse, just like billion dollar owners have. A 90 page thread on the merits of VAR. if you'd won, this thread would not exist. Simple.

I cannot wait for VAR to go against your mob.

Because, at some point it will.

Let’s see if you come back and give it the big un then.

 

[stonerblue]

same here mate, i said earlier in thread that i wont be chucking money at something i dont enjoy

I have been against var from day one and weds nights fiasco - my first live experience of it - my belief that it will ruin the game for the match going supporter has only been confirmed.
When my mrs and everyone sat at home knows more about what's happening than i do it makes a mockery of shelling out 80 notes to be there.

 

[rnblade]

I cannot wait for VAR to go against your mob.

Because, at some point it will.

Let’s see if you come back and give it the big un then.

We all know it won’t though, As was seen Wednesday. It’s totally in the hands of the clown who wants to interpret it how he deems fit.
You cannot legislate for stupidity or media influence.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

I don't know if it has been mentioned in what is becoming a long thread, but VAR was supposed to be the
end of all argument. That we're on here 90 odd pages on, it's clear that it's doing nothing of the sort, yes it
happens to be City who have copped for what looks a contentious decision, but very soon, the same sort of
thing will happen to the Dippers/Rags, or whoever. When it does, and it will, the fundamental reason for
VAR's existence will be nullified, if folk are arguing like fuck even more than before its introduction, and all they're
getting in return is play stopping at the most exciting and critical stages, interminable delays, running back and forth
to telly's, whilst frustration mounts, it's going to cause more problems than it was introduced to stop.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

I have been against var from day one and weds nights fiasco - my first live experience of it - my belief that it will ruin the game for the match going supporter has only been confirmed.
When my mrs and everyone sat at home knows more about what's happening than i do it makes a mockery of shelling out 80 notes to be there.

Couldn't agree more mate, at first I was all for it, but witnessing it the other night, and the disruption to
the flow and tempo of the game that was the result, has changed my view of it. I'll stress, it's not just because
of the City game, it's going to piss others off for sure.

 

[BlueMoonz1977]

VAR is still effectively in its infancy. There are going to be errors and we were bloody unfortunate that one glaring error helped knock us out the competition. The drama that surrounded our knockout blow has been in the public eye, it has been backed by tabloids saying it was handball. Even Llorrente has admitted he was sure it would be wiped out

And then lets add to the fact that an official has come forward to say it was not used correctly. The only good that can come out if this is if lessons are learnt and the ref on the pitch, lets not forget is the most important person as he is making the decision - so UEFA should be aware of this now, needs full access to multiple camera angles. As we are all aware the angle he was shown makes it look like he was only hit on the hip.

Another thing that needs to be addressed with the introduction of VAR, is the rulebook needs to be changed. I think it all needs to be simplified in terms of what is and what isnt offside amongst others. Offside now should revert back to having clear daylight between the last defender and the firward placed attacker, none of this his ankle or foot was offside

The worrying issue with VAR if what i read the other day by another Blue posting on here, is if it is the TV station that provides the camera angle to the officials. If this is true it needs to be stopped immediately, it leaves the whole situation in the hands of a non-football entity dictating who they want to favour.

Yes let the station provide the camera angle but if this us how UEFA want it to be provided then they should have an official in the box with the people from where the images are beamed from, so he is dictating that all angles are fed through to the pitch official.

I would also say to UEFA that us as match going fans want to be kept in the loop, not have to rely on watching this unfold from the stands in the dark or on your mobile. The images should be fed to the large screen in the stadium

 

[BlueRockape]

Personally I am still all for VAR and I am looking forward to it's introduction next year, regardless of what has happened in the CL league this season the one thing that remains is that the dippers would be at least 12 points worse off just on clear offside goals awarded. The Rags have also seen the benefit of no VAR being available this season. The issue this year has been consistancy, once it is being used week in and week out we will see the true measure

But will they call play back for certain teams I don't think so had been united offside I don't think it would have been spotted they would have shit it. Can you imagine the uproar if that had happend to rags or dippers

 

[fanakapan]

But will they call play back for certain teams I don't think so had been united offside I don't think it would have been spotted they would have shit it. Can you imagine the uproar if that had happend to rags or dippers

Didnt watch the game have just seen the highlights...Aguerro although marginally off was coming back onside as rhe ball came to him. Thats been allowed in countless games since they faffed about with the rules.. It appears to me that UEFA scoured that footage for any excuse to fuck City over......

My view and for the record I am not a Blue.

 

[caseball]

It's unbelievable how so many of our games in this competition are ruined by referees and now VAR. I don't see these incidents happening with this regularity to any other team. I'm not talking about just bad decisions. Things happen in our games that just don't ever happen. We had the fifth official signal a penalty for Monaco. They don't even signal a corner when a goal kick's been wrongly given. At Munchengladbach, the ball crossed the line by half a yard for a goal that wasn't given and the fifth official was looking right at it along the line and didn't lift a finger. At Liverpool, Sterling gets taken down on the bye line and the fifth official does nothing when the ref doesn't give it. We had the VAR nonsense at Schalke. There was the bullshit with banned fans at CSKA. The ridiculous antics with VAR at the Etihad against Schalke. The game with Roma when the defender caught the cross to stop Aguero getting his head to it and he only got a yellow. There was some spurious justification from the usual studio pricks about it not being an obvious goalscoring opportunity. I never see these things happening to other teams ever in any competition. I don't know, maybe I don't watch enough football.

 

[prestonibbo_mcfc]

All VAR has changed, is now you can get the decision wrong TWICE, instead of just the once.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

VAR is still effectively in its infancy. There are going to be errors and we were bloody unfortunate that one glaring error helped knock us out the competition. The drama that surrounded our knockout blow has been in the public eye, it has been backed by tabloids saying it was handball. Even Llorrente has admitted he was sure it would be wiped out

And then lets add to the fact that an official has come forward to say it was not used correctly. The only good that can come out if this is if lessons are learnt and the ref on the pitch, lets not forget is the most important person as he is making the decision - so UEFA should be aware of this now, needs full access to multiple camera angles. As we are all aware the angle he was shown makes it look like he was only hit on the hip.

Another thing that needs to be addressed with the introduction of VAR, is the rulebook needs to be changed. I think it all needs to be simplified in terms of what is and what isnt offside amongst others. Offside now should revert back to having clear daylight between the last defender and the firward placed attacker, none of this his ankle or foot was offside

The worrying issue with VAR if what i read the other day by another Blue posting on here, is if it is the TV station that provides the camera angle to the officials. If this is true it needs to be stopped immediately, it leaves the whole situation in the hands of a non-football entity dictating who they want to favour.

Yes let the station provide the camera angle but if this us how UEFA want it to be provided then they should have an official in the box with the people from where the images are beamed from, so he is dictating that all angles are fed through to the pitch official.

I would also say to UEFA that us as match going fans want to be kept in the loop, not have to rely on watching this unfold from the stands in the dark or on your mobile. The images should be fed to the large screen in the stadium

I don’t care if an error has been made. Humans make errors even when shown evidence. If errors have been made and City have lost a game, or in this case gone out of the CL, I’m not that bothered. I was gutted on the night but I’m already over it and already well up for the next game.

I care more about the #1 thing football is about - fans celebrating goals!

Nothing... not sex, not a win at the bookies, not your girlfriend saying “yes” when you’ve popped the question down on one knee, not even the birth of your kids... nothing makes you celebrate like a goal being scored in football. Nothing! Nothing else gives you pure exhilarating elation that makes you go wild with crazy abandon. It’s better than an orgasm, it’s better than when you ‘come up’ on drugs. Imagine standing at the front of the church celebrating your missus saying “I do” like you would a big goal in football - she’d call the wedding off and have you carted off to the loonie bin.

But you go that wild at the footy!

The celebration of goals in football is why football is the top sport in the world.

The introduction of VAR is taking that away.

After that winner the other night, I went as mad as I ever have apart from two other occasions (Agüeroooo! And Dickov), and knowing what the feeling of disappointment was when the VAR decision came up on the screen... I will never celebrate another goal in football properly ever again.

It’s gone!

The one thing that made football the best sport, the one thing that was a better feeling than anything else in life, has gone!

They can call goals offside, onside, right or wrong, I don’t care about that. I care about losing the pure exhilarating elation that makes you go wild with crazy abandon.

I was all for the introduction of VAR (and I still think it should be used for looking at possible red card challenges and possible penalties), but it’s going to ruin the greatest thing in the world, and I want VAR for goals to be scrapped.

I’d rather have corruption going on against us than lose being able to celebrate a goal properly!

 

[Sky Blue]

I don’t care if an error has been made. Humans make errors even when shown evidence. If errors have been made and City have lost a game, or in this case gone out of the CL, I’m not that bothered. I was gutted on the night but I’m already over it and already well up for the next game.

I care more about the #1 thing football is about - fans celebrating goals!

Nothing... not sex, not a win at the bookies, not your girlfriend saying “yes” when you’ve popped the question down on one knee, not even the birth of your kids... nothing makes you celebrate like a goal being scored in football. Nothing! Nothing else gives you pure exhilarating elation that makes you go wild with crazy abandon. It’s better than an orgasm, it’s better than when you ‘come up’ on drugs. Imagine standing at the front of the church celebrating your missus saying “I do” like you would a big goal in football - she’d call the wedding off and have you carted off to the loonie bin.

But you go that wild at the footy!

The celebration of goals in football is why football is the top sport in the world.

The introduction of VAR is taking that away.

After that winner the other night, I went as mad as I ever have apart from two other occasions (Agüeroooo! And Dickov), and knowing what the feeling of disappointment was when the VAR decision came up on the screen... I will never celebrate another goal in football properly ever again.

It’s gone!

The one thing that made football the best sport, the one thing that was a better feeling than anything else in life, has gone!

They can call goals offside, onside, right or wrong, I don’t care about that. I care about losing the pure exhilarating elation that makes you go wild with crazy abandon.

I was all for the introduction of VAR (and I still think it should be used for looking at possible red card challenges and possible penalties), but it’s going to ruin the greatest thing in the world, and I want VAR for goals to be scrapped!

Perfectly summed up.

 

[BlueRockape]

Didnt watch the game have just seen the highlights...Aguerro although marginally off was coming back onside as rhe ball came to him. Thats been allowed in countless games since they faffed about with the rules.. It appears to me that UEFA scoured that footage for any excuse to fuck City over......

My view and for the record I am not a Blue.

Living in spain and working on a golf course I meet football fans of all nationalities and clubs yesterday was very interesting I must have spoken to twenty to thirty people to a man including two Tottenham fans....we were shafted

 

[FrankSwift1]

UEFA has defended the role of the VAR in Wednesday’s Champions League quarter-final second leg at the Etihad Stadium, saying that all angles of Fernando Llorente’s goal were made available to on-field referee Cuneyt Cakir. [Telegraph]



Well I dont think it should have been taken away but this is a lie everyone could have seen the ref only saw one angle and that was slo-mo back and forward it wasnt different angle.

Ive got an idea that will solve this in the future. Why dont we have a system that reveiews the ref reviewing VAR decisions?