Var debate 2019/20

[cookster]

Why was there no VAR review in the rags 3rd and 4th goal ??


Rashford looked close to being offside and A Chelsea player was fouled / head injury for the 4th

Already selective reviews going on

And the 2nd for a foul by Maguire.

 

[blue moony]

And the 2nd for a foul by Maguire.

Only applies to check every city incident!

 

[Kinkys Left Foot]

Just watched Red shite v Rentboys.

Didn't see VAR review any of their goals using lines to Indicate what we got yesterday. One of them was a very close offside call as well.
Only daft reviews were for a ball in the net that was so offside a blind man from 3 miles away would have seen it and a red card that was never a red card.

Why was that?

 

[cookster]

Is every goal supposed to be checked?

 

[blue moony]

Just watched Red shite v Rentboys.

Didn't see VAR review any of their goals using lines to Indicate what we got yesterday. One of them was a very close offside call as well.
Only daft reviews were for a ball in the net that was so offside a blind man from 3 miles away would have seen it and a red card that was never a red card.

Why was that?

Selective Reviewing

Said before this is the easiest way a game can be controlled given the opportunity!

It doesn’t sit well with me !

After our game every fuxking goal from now to the end of the season should
Bloody be checked !

 

[bennyboy]

You clearly haven’t seen how Andy Gray has brought it into question 28/seconds is not enough to determine for sure when the ball was kicked

Couldn't give a flying #### what that knobhead or his sidekick thinks.

 

[simon23]

sorry if this has been posted before but Andy Gray's analysis of this makes a really good point.....

the jist of ti is that dependant upon what frame the person who is looking at the VAR system stops it at will hange decisions and there can be 25 frames in a second (but from when themoment a player looks like he passes a ball there are about 3 or 4 frames but the differnce between those frames in terms of off or on side can be very different.


for me it is when the passer of the ball hits the ball initially so it should be the first frame

 

[Gordyola]

Couldn't give a flying #### what that knobhead or his sidekick thinks.

Shame

 

[ninjamonkey]

VAR had a very good opening weekend for me. In our game the decision on a potential penalty against Rodri lasted seconds and was over before Ederson even got the ball from the ballboy, that’s exactly what you want. Big tick there.

There’s obviously an issue with what’s offside and what isn’t but it’s a flaw in the rule and the interpretation of the rule than VAR itself. as long as every decision is given equally I’m perfectly fine with sterling’s goal being offside.

Im sure there will be another decision somewhere this season that’s given onside that’s worse than the sterling decision but the margin of error is much lower than what we get without it. It’s never going to be absolutely perfect from the start, the key thing is there’s a reduction in errors. I also fully expect the law to change within the next year or two for greater clarity and the tech will improve to aid this too.

For Sterling’s second goal, I looked over at the linesman before he even put it in and he looked as though he wanted to flag until he realised he can let it go to var, everybody around me thought he was offside too resulting in the subdued celebration more so than fans not celebrating until var had made a decision.

The penalty decision was fantastic, the ref didn’t want to give it initially and the encroaching is something that never gets pulled up. In fairness to refs it’s impossible to simultaneously watch every player on the edge of the box, the taker and the keeper so var finally enforcing this often ignored rule is a big win in my eyes.

Away from City, I’ve just heard Wolves manager coming out with the bullshit “var destroys the spirit of the game” what spirit? Football isn’t this gentlemen sport we like to believe anymore, players will take any advantage possible, Diving, feigning injury, cheating, ignoring rules of the game destroyed the spirit of the game long ago. I’ve not seen it but reports suggest the decision was a correct decision and stopped a team gaining points they didn’t deserve and another losing points they didn’t deserve to lose. “Fans shouldn’t cheer no goals” why not? fans cheer when the keeper makes a great save, fans cheers when strikers miss open goals, they cheer when penalties are missed/saved. He’s effectively saying cheating is part of the game and should be accepted which is utter bollocks.

 

[goatersnipple]

Today has proved var will work in scrums favour as there goals or decisions wont be reviewed.
Bent as fuck as normal

 

[SWP's back]

Andy Gray will get his information from the technicians that he is surrounded by in a Tv studio If you watch the video he explains this and demonstrates the difference between each frame on both of the City goals

I watched and I know Andy and his wife Rachel very very well. Andy gets his ideas and figures from his arse on most things although I like him as a bloke, he’s a dinosaur where football and technology is concerned and I tell him so.

4K films at 60 fps for football and is broadcast at 50 FPS both on Sky and his own fucking Bein Sports network.

 

[SWP's back]

I think you are confused between frame and quality In fact increasing the quality and the number of frames would make the data size huge and the band width to broadcast would not be feasible for most consumers

It’s filmed at 60, broadcast at 50. No idea where you or Andy are pulling 28 from.

I’m not confused in the slightest.

 

[warringtonblue]

That’s good to know but it would still be reasonable for the 50k in the stadium and those watching at home to be involved and updated. We are after all involved in paying the wages

Who really gives a shite about the viewers at home? Its the ones in the stadium that need to know whats happening, its the least we deserve

 

[SWP's back]

Just watched Red shite v Rentboys.

Didn't see VAR review any of their goals using lines to Indicate what we got yesterday. One of them was a very close offside call as well.
Only daft reviews were for a ball in the net that was so offside a blind man from 3 miles away would have seen it and a red card that was never a red card.

Why was that?

Because they weren’t anywhere near as close as ours.

 

[SWP's back]

VAR system stops it at will hange decisions and there can be 25 frames in a second

But there aren’t. There are a minimum of 50 (broadcast standard) and a maximum of 60 (which it’s filmed in).

 

[ganganvince]

Is every goal supposed to be checked?

Yes

 

[Brendan110_0]

sorry if this has been posted before but Andy Gray's analysis of this makes a really good point.....
the jist of ti is that dependant upon what frame the person who is looking at the VAR system stops it at will hange decisions and there can be 25 frames in a second (but from when themoment a player looks like he passes a ball there are about 3 or 4 frames but the differnce between those frames in terms of off or on side can be very different.
for me it is when the passer of the ball hits the ball initially so it should be the first frame

1. Andy Grays analysis is incorrect, when he thinks it's offside Sterling is much further inside the box than the VAR image (go check it).
2. It isn't a person deciding where the lines are drawn, it's a computer based on millions of data points from live games all last season.

 

[SWP's back]

Before anyone else quotes Andy fucking Gray and his technological knowledge of 1990’s football broadcasting:

Sky broadcast football and all other sports where they have cameras at 50 FPS and has done since 2016 (3 years into Andy’s stint in the bastard desert):

“Sky has secured 124 Premier League football games which it will air in 4K UHD. That means that it will be broadcast live to your dish at 50 frames per second for super fast action captured clearly.”

https://recombu.com/digital/article...k-uhd-on-sky-q-ultra-hd-shows-movies-channels

https://www.sky.com/help/articles/watching-sky-q-in-ultra-hd

https://www.express.co.uk/life-styl...Sky-TV-4K-Ultra-HD-BBC-iplayer-wimbledon-2018

 

[half & half derby scarf]

Because they weren’t anywhere near as close as ours.

One looked offside to me. There was no review or even a replay from the side. Only from behind the goal. I see the rumours about VAR not being used at Old Toilet or Clanfield are true.

 

[SWP's back]

I see the rumours about VAR not being used at Old Toilet or Clanfield are true.

They’re not though are they. I mean, as actual grown ups capable of cogent thought, you don’t really believe that do you.