Var debate 2019/20

SWP's back said:
Not if you look at the rules you couldn’t.
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Quite. But even if they changed the rules and used the last point of contact with the passer's foot, I'd be okay with it as long as they always used that frame. And as long as it's applied consistently, I'm okay with wherever the line is drawn - right now the law says it's the furthest forward part of the body that can score, so if Sterling's armpit is a mm offside, I'm okay with the goal being ruled out. If they changed it to 'daylight', I'd be okay with that too, but there's still going to be times when there's a mm of daylight, so the player's a mm offside again. And I know that with all the errors in the system, you can't really measure things to the nearest mm, but if you decide the player has to be 10 mm offside just to be sure, there'll be goals where he's 11 mm offside, so your still ruling him offside by 1 mm.
 
NorCalBlue said:
Quite. But even if they changed the rules and used the last point of contact with the passer's foot, I'd be okay with it as long as they always used that frame. And as long as it's applied consistently, I'm okay with wherever the line is drawn - right now the law says it's the furthest forward part of the body that can score, so if Sterling's armpit is a mm offside, I'm okay with the goal being ruled out. If they changed it to 'daylight', I'd be okay with that too, but there's still going to be times when there's a mm of daylight, so the player's a mm offside again. And I know that with all the errors in the system, you can't really measure things to the nearest mm, but if you decide the player has to be 10 mm offside just to be sure, there'll be goals where he's 11 mm offside, so your still ruling him offside by 1 mm.
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Absolutely, I tried making that point with Neville x2.
 
SWP's back said:
Bluemoon: we need to review and change the offside law now var exists to give close decisions to the attacking team.

Officials: we are going to review the offside law now var is in place.

Bluemoon: ha! Knew it. It’s to help Liverpool and the Rags.

*christ on a stick*
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At least it appears they are admitting they got that call badly fucking wrong unlike some on here ;-)
 
blueinsa said:
Note richardtheref on here who is fully qualified is quite clear that the laws says that the top of the arm/shoulder is handball and that it shouldn’t have been used for the offside call.
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This is one of the many rules that needs to be a lot more precise in the VAR era. Using the deltoid muscle at the top of the arm has always been okay in my viewing and playing experience (e.g. Balotelli v Villa), but it doesn't seem to be used in offside decisions.
 
blueinsa said:
At least it appears they are admitting they got that call badly fucking wrong unlike some on here ;-)
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I don’t think they’re saying they got the call wrong. They got it right by the current rules. It would be much better to therefore change the law or the interpretation of the law.
 
flapjack said:
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no doubt in my mind that he goes to ignore the penalty and let west ham play on....look at his body shape, he turns and takes a step backwards.....then realises he can't because of VAR
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I thought it looked a bit strange, particularly for Dean.

Possibly the linesman flagged? He'd be on this side, and Dean's step back makes him look in his direction.
I haven't seen an angle showing whether it's true.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
I thought it looked a bit strange, particularly for Dean.

Possibly the linesman flagged? He'd be on this side, and Dean's step back makes him look in his direction.
I haven't seen an angle showing whether it's true.
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Even if he's responding to the linesman's flag, that still means he wasn't going to give it, despite being 10 yards away with the best view in the house.
 
vmsuhail said:
Taking all decisions into account, we were not at the wrong side of VAR decisions last game. There is no need to be pessimistic just after a week.
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As stated , lets see where we are at the end of the season , i suspect we will be in a deficit when it comes to VAR decisions , and that is taking into account the fact we will dominate 90% of matches. Looking at the decisions we have endured over recent seasons i would replace pessimism with realism.
 
NorCalBlue said:
Even if he's responding to the linesman's flag, that still means he wasn't going to give it, despite being 10 yards away with the best view in the house.
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That was my first thought too - that he wasn't giving it. As I said, it was quite strange for a ref who's normally not shy about giving penalties.
 
NorCalBlue said:
l know VAR usually takes longer to rule out a goal, but I've always waited to celebrate on goals that could conceivably be ruled out for offside, to avoid the disappointment.
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Yep. And say jesus was totally onside there, fans are happy to just accept that ?
 
flapjack said:
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no doubt in my mind that he goes to ignore the penalty and let west ham play on....look at his body shape, he turns and takes a step backwards.....then realises he can't because of VAR
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what's the VAR protocol on this one should Dean play on and WHU break away and score? ruled out for a City penalty?
 
shemnel said:
what's the VAR protocol on this one should Dean play on and WHU break away and score? ruled out for a City penalty?
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This scenario actually happened in one of the tournaments over the summer. Think it was the u21 Europeans. Anyway, West Ham’s goal would be wiped out and City given a penalty. Ridiculous situation we are now in. VAR has got to work instantly like goal line technology or be thrown out.
 
shemnel said:
what's the VAR protocol on this one should Dean play on and WHU break away and score? ruled out for a City penalty?
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Playing on would only be if no official saw something obvious.
In this case, either the ref or linesman saw it, and there was no need to wait for a review before giving it.

As @seafordblue says, the Nations League semifinal between Portugal and Switzerland had a penalty awarded to Portugal (but not taken) annulled as VAR showed a foul (and a penalty) to Switzerland shortly beforehand.
 
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