VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

[Pingu the Penguin]

POstecoglu :

"You have to accept the referee's decision, that is how I grew up," said Postecoglou.

"This constant erosion of the referee's authority is where the game is going - they are not going to have any authority. We are going to be under the control of someone with a TV screen a few miles away.

"The decision is the decision. In 26 years I have had plenty of bad decisions, I have had plenty fall in my favour. It is what it is.

"There will be a forensic study of every decision out there, I think that is the way the game is going and I don't like it. If you look at all that standing around we did today, maybe people enjoy that sort of thing but I'd rather see us playing football."



Thats where we need to be going imo.

He’s totally right. Remember when VAR was brought in - the argument seemed to be refs needed tools to help them. This is not where we have ended up

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

VAR should be the answer that informs us that the decision taken on the pitch reflects what actually happened. The trouble with VAR is that it's current iteration is inadequate. I thought the second Bournemouth goal was offside at the cross. Had I seen a replay on the big screen I would know that it wasn't. I can accept that.

But VAR is pounded and battered to death in the TV studios by people who wouldn't know a fuckin' LotG if it hit 'em on the head. The likes of Muppet Murphy et al have added descriptions of incidents that shred the integrity of the LotG so that a decision can be rendered in favour of their ex-club. And a further source of amusement is the use of adjectives to describe an offside - narrow, marginal. I wonder if these people use the same vocabulary to describe pregnancy. Pregnancy and offside share the same 'black 'n whiteness' - you are either offside or yer not, yer either pregnant or yer not.

Wonder how long before Howie Redshirt and his acolytes in the VAR shed come to the conclusion that Rugby has stolen a march on them, and they haven't the bollocks to copy that model.

 

[BlueHammer85]

You have to accept the referee's decision, that is how I grew up,

"The decision is the decision. In 26 years I have had plenty of bad decisions, I have had plenty fall in my favour. It is what it is.

He’s totally right. Remember when VAR was brought in - the argument seemed to be refs needed tools to help them. This is not where we have ended up

As I've mentioned previously, if everyone adopted his attitude to decisions, then fine, i would be more than happy to scrap VAR.

But I know for a fact fans will be in utter rage week in week out on refs decisions when a player is clearly offside or clearly dives with no contact etc.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

You have to accept the referee's decision, that is how I grew up,

"The decision is the decision. In 26 years I have had plenty of bad decisions, I have had plenty fall in my favour. It is what it is.



As I've mentioned previously, if everyone adopted his attitude to decisions, then fine, i would be more than happy to scrap VAR.

But I know for a fact fans will be in utter rage week in week out on refs decisions when a player is clearly offside or clearly dives with no contact etc.

Less than now though. And people will moan, but also remember what video technology brought us previously.

Anyway I think there's too many stakeholders, too many people making money off it for it to be rolled back. But getting the referee to make the decisions, all the decisions, would be a good start.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Less than now though. And people will moan, but also remember what video technology brought us previously.

Anyway I think there's too many stakeholders, too many people making money off it for it to be rolled back. But getting the referee to make the decisions, all the decisions, would be a good start.

how about the Romero challenge which the ref missed ? which can't blame him as bodies in way and all at frantic pace.

Should Romero really have just got away with that?

 

[Ithryn Luin]

VAR got all the decisions right last night in the ones it got involved in. However, the problems lie with the quality of the people in the VAR room.

 

[blueinsa]

Listen to people like Postecoglu.

Its an abomination on the game.

 

[KentBlue]

I think there will be more and more people signing up to the Postecoglu fan page, he comes across as a decent chap with a nice, rational approach to the game. As he says, you get decisions going your way and you get decisions going the oppositions way, it happens. It's only when the decisions consistently go one way (rag/dippers) that you have to speak out against the way pgmol are applying the rules.

Contrast Postecoglu's view of last night's events to Arteta's theatrics against Newcastle and you see why people are forming an intense dislike of both Arteta and the club he represents.



As I say, take the two most hated clubs in this country out of the equation and you'll see that for the other 18 there will be good decisions and bad decisions.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

how about the Romero challenge which the ref missed ? which can't blame him as bodies in way and all at frantic pace.

Should Romero really have just got away with that?

How about the offside that the ref flagged immediately then waited 2 or 3 minutes for VAR to confirm what the on field refs had decided in a split second? Or the lfc goal disallowed?

I don't care about the anecdotals. We are going to get errors whichever way we go.

But the fundamental of the referee making decisions, even judgements, has been lost. They've tried to science the shit out of it and made a complete mess. No one can define every single handball or foul. So why have 5 different people doing that?

VAR has its uses but it isn't this.

 

[BlueHammer85]

How about the offside that the ref flagged immediately then waited 2 or 3 minutes for VAR to confirm what the on field refs had decided in a split second? Or the lfc goal disallowed?

I don't care about the anecdotals. We are going to get errors whichever way we go.

But the fundamental of the referee making decisions, even judgements, has been lost. They've tried to science the shit out of it and made a complete mess. No one can define every single handball or foul. So why have 5 different people doing that?

VAR has its uses but it isn't this.

But let's say that offside decision was a champions league final

would you really want to rely on the lino who has to make the decision without the aid of having tech help when we have it ?

I agree there will always be errors but surely it makes sense to try and reduce them when we have the opportunity too.

I get the time waiting around is frustrating and for fans at grounds it hinders their enjoyment (not all) which is fair enough and hard to argue against. If the decision making can be done much quicker than some of them incidents last night then that would help.