That just moves the point of debate a little further up the pitch. Now they draw lines to see if you’re a mm offside. They’ll still draw lines to see if there was clear daylight. People will argue over whether there was daylight at the point of the pass or whether the attackers leg was just in line with the defenders leg etc, which frame was used etc etc. all the same issues and interpretations, just a yard or so further up the pitch.I like the idea of automated offside but I wish that they changed the rule so that there had to be clear "daylight" to be offside. That gives the attacker more of an advantage and is nice and simple.
Exactly. Same lines but with the advantage to the attacker.That just moves the point of debate a little further up the pitch. Now they draw lines to see if you’re a mm offside. They’ll still draw lines to see if there was clear daylight. People will argue over whether there was daylight at the point of the pass or whether the attackers leg was just in line with the defenders leg etc, which frame was used etc etc. all the same issues and interpretations, just a yard or so further up the pitch.
No. But we should definitely get rid of SunakI saw Rishi Sunak hitting a nail in with the side of a hammer (mis-use), should we get rid of hammers?
Really! It's not what I see and hear, what are you seeing, reading that I'm not?Only here.... it works fine in other countries...
Yeah, let's go back to Goole old time wasting being the only stop that affects our moods. VAR has sapped some of the spontaneity of celebration.If the trade off between the sheer unadulterated joy of celebrating a goal is a 14% less accurately refereed game then it's a trade off I'm very willing to take. Refereeing accuracy is not my primary concern whilst watching football. Other sports stop all the time, let them have the technology. Football is different. This isn't about not moving with the times, it's about keeping it's soul intact.
Of course they would introduce a resolution to abolish VAR instead of a package of resolutions to address the many issues with it, the biggest (and easiest to address) being transparency and speed of decision.
Think for as we have seen the decisions Red Tops got before Var. They still get decisions like last night ( though Gordon is a serial diver) but its no where near to the decisions they got before Var.Which way do people think City will vote?
That just moves the point of debate a little further up the pitch. Now they draw lines to see if you’re a mm offside. They’ll still draw lines to see if there was clear daylight. People will argue over whether there was daylight at the point of the pass or whether the attackers leg was just in line with the defenders leg etc, which frame was used etc etc. all the same issues and interpretations, just a yard or so further up the pitch.
Exactly. Same lines but with the advantage to the attacker.
The semi-automated technology which is supposed to be coming in next season works far better. It takes seconds to come to a decision. If they could implement that next season that should see the end of the drawing lines on the pitch nonsense.
Yes, it is moving the point where offside is called and that’s why it’s potentially a good idea. It’s the speeding principle.
No one gets pinged for doing 31 in a 30, there’s normally like a 10% margin so you get pinged for doing 34 but not 33 in a 30.
The difference between nothing and a fine plus 3 points is still 1mph, but because we’ve allowed for a margin of forgiveness, no one has an excuse and people accept it.
I don’t actually love Wengers idea because the benefit is too big, but add a 10cm margin to automated offsides and attackers aren’t getting a huge advantage so the spirit of the offside rule and why it was brought in is retained, but we don’t have people getting ruled out by margins that piss people off. A goal being ruled out for being 0.1cm off is absurd, 10.1 cm off and it’s fair enough.
Fair points, but if someone is 9.9 cm offside and another player is 10.1 cm offside, people will still be complaining that 2 mm makes the difference.
A "referee's call" element is attractive but open to manipulation. No worse than what we currently have I suppose.Only if you are on the "offside is a matter of fact", "the technology is good enough", "of course he is offside, his knee is in front of the last defender's heel" group of fans.
Personally, I don't like this obsession for accuracy for several reasons: firstly, it's an accuracy that no human can judge, so what's the point? And how many beautiful and important goals have been ruled out for super-marginal offside?; secondly, it is destroying the art of playing on/offside by players who really can't control movements to the degree to which they are being judged; thirdly, it goes against the original idea of gaining an advantage - there is no advantage gained by being where you are in a running movement; fourthly, the technology isn't accurate enough even, imho, with SAOT; fifthly, the offside laws and interpretations have been bastardised to the point hardly anyone can understand them, all for VAR.
Use VAR for offsides if you have to, but just for clear and obvious offside errors. Go with the on-field decisions unless it is literally feet (distance not body part) offside. The only one I can think of this season was the Spurs/Liverpool offside and I am not even sure about that one. No linesman is looking at a defender's feet.
All imho, of course, and I am sure there are more if you give me a minute.
Have you ever heard someone doing 34.1mph complain they got done speeding and wouldn’t have at 33?
And more importantly, has anyone they complained to thought that was an excuse? Or did they just say drive the speed limit and you wouldn’t get fined.
Every margin for error ends somewhere, that’s not an argument to not have one.
It's not a legal argument, but put that in front of 50,000 rabid football fans in a stadium and a million or two watching on TV and I can predict the outcome will be ranting and raving pretty much the same as it is now, and pretty much the same as it was before VAR.
A "referee's call" element is attractive but open to manipulation. No worse than what we currently have I suppose.
The VAR box has been opened, it isn't going anywhere. What is undeniable it's been in place at the PL for 5 years and there has been no improvement in its implementation at all. The system needs a big overhaul. Look at how they do it in the Champions League and copy that!