VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

[Gray]

You will always get these problems whilst those operating VAR are from the same body that are officiating at the actual matches.

A completely independent VAR body is required made up of ex-players, they are the ones who know exactly what goes on during a match.

 

[cheekybids]

It's a fucking joke. He should be fired for those comments. Basically admitting that he follows the rules selectively depending on the circumstances of the game. That cost Chelsea 2 points. They would have gone up from 12th to 11th with those two points, which is £2.2 million. They should sue him for it.

It should basically put the whole organisation on notice, there’s no confidence in PGMOL, the referee’s & management.

I don’t understand what happens at premier league meetings that they don’t ask for them to charges / investigated.

 

[Keeper!]

"Former Premier League referee Mike Dean failed to correct a mistake in a match to save his friend and fellow official Anthony Taylor from extra "grief"."

FFS and we wonder why VAR does not work and why referees are so incompetent.

 

[flook]

Basically an admission games are manipulated

 

[FantasyIreland]

But the game isn't bent......

 

[dennishasdoneit]

You will always get these problems whilst those operating VAR are from the same body that are officiating at the actual matches.

A completely independent VAR body is required made up of ex-players, they are the ones who know exactly what goes on during a match.

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[cyan]

I thought that Dean‘s statement that he dreaded doing VAR was interesting. Here is someone who has spent his career making instant decisions based on what he believes he sees and then standing by them and moving onto the next one - because he shouldn’t dwell on incidents that might be mistakes. He perhaps has also thrived on the whole game management aspect of being in charge of 22 highly competitive players along with managers etc. it will be an enormous buzz - and that is not a bad thing a good referee has to enjoy that challenge. VAR is a different skill set - perhaps more technical or analytical - it removes some of the interpersonal relationships that the on pitch referee will use and it allows slower, more considered referees time to come to a decision than the instinctive response of an on pitch referee. It’s no surprise that Dean dreaded it - or that he made decisions made on an emotional reaction to what he could see happening on the pitch or that he has now retired. I wonder if in time there will be specialist VAR referees who are better suited to that role than being on the pitch.

 

[BlueHammer85]

he admits he should have called the ref over to monitor and really regretted that decision and it stuck with him a long time, he admits being in VAR room has got so serious that you can barely talk in between incidences, officials have to be hot on every single incident straight away.
Hence he walked away - it got to tough for him and too pressurised. Doesn’t seem any sign of manipulation or corruption.

It seems so easy to watch everything back in hindsight and yes for the glaring obvious ones they deserve stick, but all that showed to me was that officials still make human error even watching on a monitor- unless we get some AI system that can determine the correct call then unfortunately it’s always going to happen. Still, anything that can assist a ref that misses an incident should always be favoured in my opinion.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

he admits he should have called the ref over to monitor and really regretted that decision and it stuck with him a long time, he admits being in VAR room has got so serious that you can barely talk in between incidences, officials have to be hot on every single incident straight away.
Hence he walked away - it got to tough for him and too pressurised.

It seems so easy to watch everything back in hindsight and yes for the glaring obvious ones they deserve stick, but all that showed to me was that officials still make human error even watching on a monitor- unless we get some AI system that can determine the correct call then unfortunately it’s always going to happen. Still, anything that can assist a ref that misses an incident should always be favoured in my opinion.

What this incident shows to me is that the system has failed and not fit for purpose. This is only one call, there are far more lost in the background that we will never get to hear about.

 

[mancboy]

As alot of people on here have already said the main problem with var is that its still the same incompetent people just looking from a different angle and until that changes it isnt fit for purpose