VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

[SebastianBlue]

I would happily have turned for her, lol

I said the same for El Mago.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

As post above mentioned he was being totally honest and open on how he dealt with that specific incident, he panicked and didn't send the ref to the monitor and deeply regrets it - I don't see anything that hints towards a golden envelope and dark powers to manipulate results, just human error and highlights the pressure the officials are under.

All for independent reviews and more transparency for sure though.

He was dishonest with the decision though.

 

[super_city_si]

Its not VAR. Its the corrupt fuckers running it. Like a few have said, this really needs an independent body running it separate from the Referees association. That would also put pressure on the refs to get it right on the pitch, which at the moment isn't a matter for them as they have the crutch of VAR and their mates.

Oh, and Dean is only admitting this cos he loves the attention. He's been a nobody for a season. Another problem with referees spanning from the sky takeover and wall to wall coverage.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

the problem is, every single officiating mistake, every wrong decision can just be labelled as 'corruption' (in many forms)

Mike Dean admitting he should have sent ref over and deeply regrets he doesn't - is that really proof of 'corruption' ? it was a human error. Not saying it's acceptable either. but it's clear he didn't make that decision on the back of a dodgy envelope and higher instructions from the FA.

Unless we have an officiating system with or without VAR that can guarantee every single decision is 100% correct, that can satisfy both sets of players, managers and fans at all times - then everything is just labelled as 'corrupt'

Most decisions are honest in my view, including lots of honest mistakes. But I have been watching football live for 57 years and I have seen some corrupt ones. The most recent one being Attwells decision at last years Derby match when he overruled his linesman.Not a doubt about that one.

 

[blueinsa]

Nobody wants to think or accept the game is bent but we now have officials admitting that incidents and this results are manipulated because they intentionally don’t give or give decisions based on feelings for their fellow officials/mates.

For me that’s the thin end of a very big wedge.

PiGMOB should be reeling from this. They should be disbanded. The book thrown at some of them!

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Mike Dean’s admission, and especially this passage, essentially proves what I and many others have asserted for quite awhile now: the referees know there is no real accountability for their corrupt decisions.

"That was a major error. If they don't score from the corner it is not as big an issue," Dean said.

"I knew full well I would be stood down the week after."

And this was an example of corruption because once these types of incidents become commonplace, with authorities making no real attempts to prevent them, it becomes corruption. You cannot claim simple errors or incompetence when governing bodies are aware they are happening, have the tools to prevent them (and/or are aware the current mitigation methods are not working), but choose not to make changes to stop them.

Jobs for the boys is also a form of corruption, even if it is less egregious than more bombastic types like bribery, extortion, or illicit manipulation (which is likely also taking place in the PL).

I don’t know how many times I have to say this, but here we go again:

1 baffling decision is a mistake.
5 baffling decisions is incompetence.
10+ baffling decisions is corruption.

For those that missed it:

Ex-ref avoided VAR call to save colleague 'grief'

Former referee Mike Dean said he did not alert a fellow official to a missed call via the VAR because he wanted to spare him "more grief".

www.espn.com

This also yet another feather in the cap for calls for an independent entity to handle VAR.

This admission would literally be criminal in any other regulatory scenario.

Can you imagine what would happen if a FCA inspector said they didn’t bring a colleague up on missing obvious and egregious regulatory violations because they were not just his coworker but also his friend and he wanted to protect them from consequences?

We all knows that happens in the financial industry, given regulatory capture — at least I know for a fact it does — but it is rarely brought in to the public.

And this is an example of regulatory capture in the PL.

Great post. Corruption is rarely about cash in brown envelopes. Covering up for a pal fiddling expenses, or pilfering, or crashing a company vehicle, pulling a sicky, getting pissed or stoned while at work. Or covering up a dodgy surgeon or killer nurse to protect your reputation. Doing your mate a favour like Mike Dean. Still corruption.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

Bin stock key park off and let the ref see a replays if they wish too. Infinitely better

 

[HelloCity]

 

[AntonDonJuan]

No the ref runs the game, if he misses something then it’s on VAR, in Deans case he should have called the ref to the monitor. He didn’t, he regrets that and deserves the stick for him admission.

I don't normally reply to absolute morons but in you case i'll make an exception. He isn't admitting to making a mistake, he is saying he didn't call the ref over because he is his mate and was already getting enough stick in the game so decided to let it slide.

What you can't get you're head around i'll never know

 

[BlueHammer85]

I don't normally reply to absolute morons but in you case i'll make an exception. He isn't admitting to making a mistake, he is saying he didn't call the ref over because he is his mate and was already getting enough stick in the game so decided to let it slide.

What you can't get you're head around i'll never know

No need to get personal.

He is admitting a mistake, if he could turn back the time he wouldn't of done that. He didn't need to mention that decision and reasoning at all did he ? but he bought it up because he deeply regrets it.

Still think he deserves the stick and even disciplinary action.