VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

[adr2.8i]

Scotland just finding out that VAR is shit too. Might have been a foul but certainly not a clear and office error. The fact that the ref made it look like he was giving the goal and then signifying the free kick made it even worse.

If a player gets his leg near the ball as the other guy is in the motion of kicking the ball, and then kicks the other guys leg, then that too me isn't a foul! It's like the kev one last season. The defender kicked the atttackers leg, not the other way around. Harsh I thought.
But the ref gave the goal sort of :-)

 

[Len Rum]

And that is why VAR is ruining the game.
Minimal contact made to look worse in slow motion over rules a perfectly good goal.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Espn attempt to justify the Rags offside goal

Reading this article where ESPN consistently state that normally or Typically the goal would be off side. The difference of course is that this is the Rags losing at Old Trafford and we’re coming up to 80 minutes

That's when I stopped reading Dale Johnson's bullshit. He is just relaying the official view and wouldn't get input if he deviated. It was bollocks then and it will be bollocks again on Monday.

Everybody knows both were offside. Just change the God awful guidelines and get it right. It's not fucking difficult.

 

[Bluesince1979]

Akanji was offside. I would want it called if against us. But this is the trouble. Week in week out goals are given/not given for very similar things .

Couldnt the rule be if youre inside the 6 yard box u are deemed to Be interfering with play? Or between the posts?
Has to be more black n white but the powers that be seem to be reluctant or unable to get it right

 

[Bantamgaz]

Just bin it now I mean fair enough if they where getting hard decisions wrong but your talking basics here

 

[Keeper!]

Do you think that KDB goal Vs PSG was offside?

There is an argument with that one, but yesterday was offside by a million miles

 

[halfcenturyup]

Akanji was offside. I would want it called if against us. But this is the trouble. Week in week out goals are given/not given for very similar things .

Couldnt the rule be if youre inside the 6 yard box u are deemed to Be interfering with play? Or between the posts?
Has to be more black n white but the powers that be seem to be reluctant or unable to get it right

What about if you gain an advantage? That would be radical.

 

[halfcenturyup]

No he starts to move then hesitates a fraction of a second to see if Akanji gets a touch on it before he can commit. I think he makes the save fairly easily without the hesitation.

We got away with one here and luckily scored a hatful after but it definitely but a different complexion on the half time team talks.

I refer to Johnson's "official" explanation:

The real case for discussion is about Ederson, and whether his actions would have changed had Rashford not been there. Perhaps, but Rashford doesn't impact the goalkeeper's ability to come and play the ball. He may affect his choice to do so, and how he might shape for a save, but the law doesn't discuss how a player might behave differently if the offside player isn't present; it only discusses the ability of an opponent to play the ball."

All bollocks and I agree with you, of course, but that is how stupid the guidelines are.

 

[blueinsa]

I only agree with the final sentence in that they’re terrible with it.

It should be a complement to the game.

Absolutely but we are dealing with an organisation that is unfit for purpose, incompetent at best and corrupt at worst.

The greatest league in world football is being consistently let down.

 

[ancoats]

The problem you have with VAR and its officials is they have to play by the rule book written in black and white

The AKE header The keeper had a clear view of the header, So the line of sight was not blocked by Akanji so it's not offside, Now did Akanji make a movement towards the ball ? that is the only doubt that the Keeper could say in I had to change my movement, So the VAR officials were right to allow the goal because of the first Ake header Akanji was not blocking the keeper's view

 

[Bluesince1979]

What about if you gain an advantage? That would be radical.

Yeah then you were interfering IF you gained the advantage, but if akanji were stood out of whatever zone was decided on and ake heads the ball straight in, then akanji is onside if hes stood inside that zone then hes off

Im making this up as im sat with my brew in the garden. The powers that be who are paid a big wage and its their actual job to decide the rules want to make it as vague as possible

Wonder why

 

[Len Rum]

Sensible VAR decision there in the Palace game not to award a penalty ( albeit in relation to an incident that Pre VAR would never have been remotely considered a penalty, slomo again emphasising the contact).
Which of course is one of VAR's problems in that you've seen them given.

 

[goalmole]

Doesn’t come into it for the goal yesterday
VAR confirms offside no other incidents to consider Ref decides on the interfering issue it’s his decision with the help of lino if necessary

I was meaning generally.

 

[halfcenturyup]

He was offside but the officials interpreted the law correctly as, unlike the vast majority of people including the expert pundits, they actually understand the guidelines re a player interfering with play
Do I agree with the guideline no but, I’ve read them

Where did you read the guidelines?

 

[Len Rum]

Just bin it now I mean fair enough if they where getting hard decisions wrong but your talking basics here

Sympathise with you mate but unfortunately it's here to stay.
So let's simplify and improve it.
For a start leave out handball decisions and possible offences in the build up - leave these to the on field officials.
Adopt the 'Wenger proposal' for offside whereby there's no offside if any part of the attacker is onside - this would ensure more goals, be more in keeping with the spirit of the offside law and in the case of tight decisions benefits the attacker which is surely what we all want?

 

[city2]

If the red teams score the same goal what do you thing the media would say, so fuck great header by Ake

 

[hertsblue]

If the red teams score the same goal what do you thing the media would say, so fuck great header by Ake

They have. Salah today impeding the keepers sight whilst offside for the Dippers first.
Goal allowed ( no surprise with England on Var) but no outrage so far:

 

[GSW Blue]

When Mike Dean confirmed what we already knew that officials are influenced by things off the pitch it made me wonder why there are two grounds in the PL where VAR decisions are not communicated on big screens.

If they can’t force OT and Anfield to have screens then no other ground’s screens should be used for VAR.

 

[TinFoilHat]

100% offside and a joke of a decision, we would be going crazy on here today if Fulham had scored a goal like that.

Refereeing in this country, has it ever been as poor and as inconsistent as of now?

I agree.

It highlights the inconsistency/Incompetence/corruption* of match officials.

The dippers one was allowed as well which had an even stronger arguement than Ake's being disallowed.

If the inconsistency/Incompetence/corruption* with regards to this rule continues team will get cute with offside/players blocking keepers view and rolling the dice on if the officials give it.




*Choose which is applicable from your viewpoint

 

[TinFoilHat]

Let's see if we get Alti and England on VAR for West Ham.

PiGMOL won't tolerate 5 wins on the bounce this early on.