VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

[TonyM]

I love Var


today

 

[Andy TheCatalyst Morrison]

If they're looking at a possible pen then they see the dive. So then they just ignore it?

Correct as it stands

 

[TonyM]

If we were 2-1 up it'd have been a penalty for sure.

 

[RayCTID]

Mac Allister was looking for the second one. The first was the more convincing one which was given.

 

[OntarioBlue]

Don’t you just love the irony of LiVARpool being denied a penalty in the dying seconds by VAR after Michael OliVAR had failed to give it in live play. There must be some serious victim thinking going on in Dipperville today. I love it !

 

[shemnel]

Surely that Doku incident at Anfield was the easiest opportunity yet for a "corrupt" vision of the PL to award a penalty for Liverpool? I mean, it would not have been challenged at all, in fact celebrated, so there have to be a few "football is fixed" folks scratching their heads at that one?

 

[halfcenturyup]

Surely that Doku incident at Anfield was the easiest opportunity yet for a "corrupt" vision of the PL to award a penalty for Liverpool? I mean, it would not have been challenged at all, in fact celebrated, so there have to be a few "football is fixed" folks scratching their heads at that one?

Not really, it has me asking why the referee can suddenly handle the enormous pressure of the great Anfield crowd and give a decision on what he thinks are the merits, despite many many incidents in previous games seemingly going against what we think are the merits.

Personally, I have never said (as far as I can remember) referees are anti-City per se, or pro-Liverpool or United, but I have said that they seem to manage games for the interest of the product, which may involve Liverpool and United being higher up the table than they should be, or keeping City in the leading group and not running away with it, or trying to ensure interest right through to the last game. You can argue that the decision in the last minute did that, or you can argue that he decided on its merits, or you can argue, if you are a Liverpool fan this time, that the referee was biased. What you can't argue this time is that he was swayed by the crowd so that should be out of the window as an excuse for all the other decisions now.

 

[shemnel]

Not really, it has me asking why the referee can suddenly handle the enormous pressure of the great Anfield crowd and give a decision on what he thinks are the merits, despite many many incidents in previous games seemingly going against what we think are the merits.

Personally, I have never said (as far as I can remember) referees are anti-City per se, or pro-Liverpool or United, but I have said that they seem to manage games for the interest of the product, which may involve Liverpool and United being higher up the table than they should be, or keeping City in the leading group and not running away with it, or trying to ensure interest right through to the last game. You can argue that the decision in the last minute did that, or you can argue that he decided on its merits, or you can argue, if you are a Liverpool fan this time, that the referee was biased. What you can't argue this time is that he was swayed by the crowd so that should be out of the window as an excuse for all the other decisions now.

I am really undecided about the level of corruption in PL football. I really do not think one specific team is favoured, e.g. Liverpool, but i am more uncertain about the 'protection of the product'. It would be quite naïve to simply dismiss the old adage - where there's money....there's corruption - just because it's the game we love and think it's some old gentlemen's game played in the name of sportsmanship for the love of it. So where does the truth lie? god knows.

My personal feeling is too lean towards that the league are constantly massaging the framework in which the game is played; the game laws, the financial rules and so on. Make it harder/easier for clubs to complete.

Do i subscribe to the situation that you describe, that refs are systematically or occasionally instructed to, for example, ignore pushing in the box on City players for a couple of games, and after that, for example, give the odd decent 50/50 decision in favour of a languishing United? I dunno. The thing is , every team is convinced VAR is against them, and every team can draw up a few decent cases. But then, you could argue that's the point, don't make it obvious!

I suppose it never ends. Really murky stuff though. I believe some things moving forward to improve officiating and team/fan trust are:

• Open up the VAR/ref communications
• Introduce much better on-pitch discipline rules from grass-roots upwards (players and coaches)
• Pay refs more
• stop the 'mates club' and get an independent review panel (for refs).

 

[halfcenturyup]

I am really undecided about the level of corruption in PL football. I really do not think one specific team is favoured, e.g. Liverpool, but i am more uncertain about the 'protection of the product'. It would be quite naïve to simply dismiss the old adage - where there's money....there's corruption - just because it's the game we love and think it's some old gentlemen's game played in the name of sportsmanship for the love of it. So where does the truth lie? god knows.

My personal feeling is too lean towards that the league are constantly massaging the framework in which the game is played; the game laws, the financial rules and so on. Make it harder/easier for clubs to complete.

Do i subscribe to the situation that you describe, that refs are systematically or occasionally instructed to, for example, ignore pushing in the box on City players for a couple of games, and after that, for example, give the odd decent 50/50 decision in favour of a languishing United? I dunno. The thing is , every team is convinced VAR is against them, and every team can draw up a few decent cases. But then, you could argue that's the point, don't make it obvious!

I suppose it never ends. Really murky stuff though. I believe some things moving forward to improve officiating and team/fan trust are:

• Open up the VAR/ref communications
• Introduce much better on-pitch discipline rules from grass-roots upwards (players and coaches)
• Pay refs more
• stop the 'mates club' and get an independent review panel (for refs).

Difficult to argue with any of those for referees: basically transparency, consistency, independence and accountability.

I honestly believe referees can do a good job. They wouldn't be there if they were all incompetent.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Clear foul by Regulion on Burnley player denying a clear scoring chance - Waved away by ref.
VAR recalls, ref checks monitor and sees it’s a clear foul and last man.
Only 5 mins into match so most refs would have waved it away.
Thankfully Var in place.