VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

Would you want VAR scrapped?

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BlueHammer85 said:
Nope, not really, just a cliche .
Very frustrating when they get it wrong but watching football is probably more entertaining than it’s ever been. Champions league games proving that lately.
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Oh, and no need to be patronising by the way. It’s not “just a cliche”. VAR for many people (whether you agree with them or not) is spoiling their enjoyment of football.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Nope, not really, just a cliche .
Very frustrating when they get it wrong but watching football is probably more entertaining than it’s ever been. Champions league games proving that lately.
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Not to 99% of traditional footy fans it isn't mate - you being in the 1% ;)
To the new fan maybe so - and that seems to be all that matters now so so be it. Maybe that's been the plan all along with it. Why would a money maker want to appease me who probably spends about a tenner inside the ground, when they can have new fans, with their half and half scarfs and cameras spending hundreds in the club shop?
 
Andy TheCatalyst Morrison said:
Oh, and no need to be patronising by the way. It’s not “just a cliche”. VAR for many people (whether you agree with them or not) is spoiling their enjoyment of football.
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‘It’s killed football’ - been hearing it for years. Footballs only become bigger and the standards got better.
Officiating was the only thing holding it back and that’s why VAR was bought in , painful and slow progress is the only way forward and of course there will be controversy and bad decisions along the way - makes me laugh Kaz and others tag me everytime there’s some VAR controversy as if that’s going change my opinion.

It’s like tagging anyone who doesn’t want VAR into every bad decisions made by officials if VAR wasn’t around.
 
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BlueHammer85 said:
‘It’s killed football’ - been hearing it for years. Footballs only become bigger and the standards got better.
Officiating was the only thing holding it back and that’s why VAR was bought , painful and slow progress is the only way forward and of course there will be controversy and bad decisions along the way - makes me laugh Kaz and others tag me everytime there’s some VAR controversy as if that’s going change my opinion.

It’s like tagging anyone who doesn’t want VAR into every bad decisions made by officials if VAR wasn’t around.
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I like the idea of VAR but just not the incompetent or corrupt way it is being implemented.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
I like the idea of VAR but just not the incompetent or corrupt way it is being implemented.
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It’s a fair point of view but I don’t think there’s any form of officiating that will ever please certainly not scrapping it and going back to how it was - even when VAR gets a tight margin call correct there’s still cries of corruption.
 
the-ecstacy-of-eight said:
....but, all of the elements I've highlighted above are 100% human judgements and decisions, and as a result the rest of the "automated process" is flawed and the automation is immaterial, it's already been contaminated by errors and possible bias.

It's a can of worms this VAR debacle.
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Of course, a computer is only as good as the information that humans have given it to work with.

I thought you were originally asking specifically if I thought the tolerance level was being used fairly across the board, as if that final part of the process was up to the discretion of the VAR.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
It’s a fair point of view but I don’t think there’s any form of officiating that will ever please certainly not scrapping it and going back to how it was - even when VAR gets a tight margin call correct there’s still cries of corruption.
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That last point is irrelevant. Currently it is being run by buffoons. And way too many mistakes are being made. It needs a complete overall.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Nope, not really, just a cliche .
Very frustrating when they get it wrong but watching football is probably more entertaining than it’s ever been. Champions league games proving that lately.
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Mate, did you watch the semi yesterday. Did you not feel for the Coventry fans? Can you justify with evidence why the goal was disallowed?
The joy they must have felt and then the emptiness.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
It’s a fair point of view but I don’t think there’s any form of officiating that will ever please certainly not scrapping it and going back to how it was - even when VAR gets a tight margin call correct there’s still cries of corruption.
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The problem with refereeing has always been that they werent consistent, that diff refs gave diff outcomes for the same event, that could be partially due to the speed of the game and that they couldnt see everything, var has rectified those issues and the same inconsistency still applies so is it down to incompitence or corruption
 
Andy TheCatalyst Morrison said:
Oh, and no need to be patronising by the way. It’s not “just a cliche”. VAR for many people (whether you agree with them or not) is spoiling their enjoyment of football.
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I will never know 100% but, if that had been City yesterday, in the Championship, struggling for 'glory', I would walk away from football for good. A brilliant come back, beyond a fans widest dreams snatched away by a so called millimetre offside decision. I can't even liken it to the Aguero moment being taken from us, we'd already won at Wembley the year before and knew the good times were ahead, this was a 'you've won the lottery...... ha ha just kidding now fuck off' moment.
Var was not introduced for that, no way.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Agree. The linesman didn’t flag so the goal should have stood. It’s fucking disgraceful.
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I've looked at it over and over again and the official VAR still shows the lines overlapping. I even think the the timing of the pass was not right and the ball clearly had left the Coventry city player's foot. So 3 or 4 frames longer than it should be,

In a court of law, The video evidence would have been thrown out as inconclusive.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Mate, did you watch the semi yesterday. Did you not feel for the Coventry fans? Can you justify with evidence why the goal was disallowed?
The joy they must have felt and then the emptiness.
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Yes, gutted for them, I would have loved Man Utd going out like that.

But if the tables were turned we’d all be pissing ourselves right ?

Joy and emptiness is all part of football, what if the lino flagged offside like prior VAR , or a ref awards Man Utd a last min penalty for a tussle in the box from a corner or loads of other examples that have always existed.
 
mancboy said:
The problem with refereeing has always been that they werent consistent, that diff refs gave diff outcomes for the same event, that could be partially due to the speed of the game and that they couldnt see everything, var has rectified those issues and the same inconsistency still applies so is it down to incompitence or corruption
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I don’t think the same inconsistency applies on such a large scale we had before, I just think everything’s highlighted and scrutinised way more than ever largely thanks to social media.
I’m not against inconsistency being labelled though as that will help decisions in the future. But nothing is fool proof.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
I don’t think the same inconsistency applies on such a large scale we had before, I just think everything’s highlighted and scrutinised way more than ever largely thanks to social media.
I’m not against inconsistency being labelled though as that will help decisions in the future. But nothing is fool proof.
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But wasnt that the whole point in that eliminates the majority of mistakes and its not
 
The fans Debite VAR every week and hate it, But the Club's don't seem to do anything about it ? Why don't the clubs say No we are not playing under VAR rules anymore and refuse to play, If all 20 clubs say NO then I don't see what the Premier League could do other than Change the rules,

Dont say the Premier League can not change the rules in mid-season or with 10 games to play, Because Covid-19 rules changed overnight, If all the Clubs are saying we are not playing until something is sorted out then mark my words the Premier League will sort it out pretty quick
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
First of all whwre have FIFA said this. I will only accept that explanation when i see it from the horses mouth.
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Mind you, the IFAB VAR protocol says very clearly, and IFAB have reiterated many times, that on-field offside decisions should only be changed for clear and obvious errors. So it seems FIFA/ FA/ PL choose the parts they want to follow and the parts they don't want to follow.
 
said it before ill say it again media TV mainly only focuse on pre VAR what they wanted to happen or wrong decisions against there favorite teams, them that wasnt in loop tough
 
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