It was a penalty. The VAR bar is ridiculously high this season though.So if he's not corrupt what's the explanation for him not being able to see that Young doesn't get the ball in the third penalty claim. I assume you can see that he didn't?
Your only rspinse is that he's totally incompetent and should be sacked right? Let's see if he is shall we? I won't hold my breath.
So if he's not corrupt what's the explanation for him not being able to see that Young doesn't get the ball in the third penalty claim. I assume you can see that he didn't?
Your only rspinse is that he's totally incompetent and should be sacked right? Let's see if he is shall we? I won't hold my breath.
We’re clearly not going to agree on this if you think a defeat in a league game in September has the same impact. Imagine Bowen’s goal had been ruled out for a toenail offside call not given on the field in the European final last season and you’d lost in extra time / penalties.Chelsea 2-1 is the link. (Cornet disallowed goal)
We shall see. I'm just fed up with incompetent officials. If there is corrupt officiating in the game it would be incredibly damaging. So I despately hope that isn't the case but i feel the powers that be would also do everything they could to cover it up to protect their product.It was a penalty. The VAR bar is ridiculously high this season though.
The issue i have is that rather than fearing re-refereeing, they are now trying to find a way to back up their mate’s decision as much as possible.
I think the audio will be released for the third decision, so will reserve judgement on why he didn’t send Taylor to the monitor.
What's the explanation for the last one and what should be the consequences for Atwell?Personally I think Webb has screwed it this year with his wanting to keep it onfield as much as possible. If you’re going to do that, then just change VAR to being objective decisions only, he’s created an even more stupid middle ground that was stupid anyway in the first place.
Personally I only think the third one was a clear and obvious error and Forest complaining about all three also doesn’t help their cause.
Using this rationale, Forest shouldn’t be arsed about some low end league game in April. ;-)We’re clearly not going to agree on this if you think a defeat in a league game in September has the same impact. Imagine Bowen’s goal had been ruled out for a toenail offside call not given on the field in the European final last season and you’d lost in extra time / penalties.
Anyway, bed time for me - VAR nightmares incoming no doubt.
Presumably an investigation into whether club allegiance for VAR officials should follow on field official rules might be achievable? In addition, an investigation into the competence of Atwell would also be a possibility and given his track record wouldn’t be pretty for him. In any other arena of business these investigations would be done. But not football.What are they going to achieve by these tweets? They’ll just get a mega fine and their manager potentially getting a touchline ban.
And how do you prove things? Gather evidence and investigate. In both semi finals the integrity of the officiating has been publicly called into question. In any other industry you’d investigate. In football it’s “nothing to see here”.I can’t. In all likelihood, there will have been games manipulated. However, if there’s no proof, then all you have is gut feelings, which don’t do anything.
What's the explanation for the last one and what should be the consequences for Atwell?
Do you think they will succeed?Presumably an investigation into whether club allegiance for VAR officials should follow on field official rules might be achievable? In addition, an investigation into the competence of Atwell would also be a possibility and given his track record wouldn’t be pretty for him. In any other arena of business these investigations would be done. But not football.
Why?
Do you think they will succeed?
That tweet could have been written by brooklands blue, although it did lack the word dossier.
What substance?So you aren’t concerned with the substance of what they’ve said just the way they did it? Why shouldn’t they say it publicly? It’s not good form?
The fact a Luton fan wouldn’t be allowed to ref the game but can VAR and the fact that at least 2 blatant penalties weren’t givenWhat substance?
I guess it depends on his professionalism. If he’s not barred by being from the same local FA, then it’s not against the rules.The fact a Luton fan wouldn’t be allowed to ref the game but can VAR and the fact that at least 2 blatant penalties weren’t given
As ever with everything VAR the rules they apply are nonsensical. Regardless of whether you agree with the partisan support rules with referees you would surely concede that if it applies to the ref it should apply to the VAR?I guess it depends on his professionalism. If he’s not barred by being from the same local FA, then it’s not against the rules.
Is too much made of who a referee supports? It even got to KC’s looking at our charges!
The result wasnt the best outcome for them anyway.
So you aren’t concerned with the substance of what they’ve said just the way they did it? Why shouldn’t they say it publicly? It’s not good form?
Fair to an extent but the omnishambles of VAR (how many apologies this year) is testing everyone’s patience. At what point do you take the gloves off?For the same reason it’s always been frowned upon, questioning the integrity of the referee devalues all of them. They're already scrutinised to death without public accusations of bias by the clubs themselves.
If people really thought rationally about it, if you were in a job where you knew there was a potential of an accusation of bias, and that would be publicised to millions and your every move scrutinised even without that potential bias, what would your natural instinct be? It wouldn’t be to fulfil that bias, if anything it would be the complete opposite.
People assume that everyone is a fan to the same level as they are and assume everyone else’s thought processes will be influenced as theirs are. That’s the perception Forest are amplifying in their statement.
Complain about the decisions absolutely (although I think the first two, he was right to keep with the on field judgment, the third was a shocker) and ask for an explanation for it. By doing what they’ve done though, the ultimate consequence if everyone did it and it was allowed is we’re going to end up with an even smaller pool of remotely competent referees than we have now at the top level (and yes they are competent and have to go through a shedload of assessments to get to that level in the first place).
The fact a Luton fan wouldn’t be allowed to ref the game but can VAR and the fact that at least 2 blatant penalties weren’t given
Fair to an extent but the omnishambles of VAR (how many apologies this year) is testing everyone’s patience. At what point do you take the gloves off?