VAR (PL introduction 2019)

[waspish]

What they should do is put it back in the managers and players hand by giving them 2 options of a video review if they felt a decision has been diabolical that way managers can’t moan after the game about refereeing decision because they had that option to change it and if they choice wrongly it’s down to them.

 

[greasedupdeafguy]

We have it over and it really is a joke, totally arbitrary when it is used and the crowd await its implementation for every goal. Not the answer in its present format, from the experience here it's got a place for offside decisions leading to a goal, but other than that "clear and obvious mistakes" has proved to be farcical.

Which league are you talking about? A-league?

 

[Chipmeister]

Yes mate, A league. This weekend we watched a game and Massimo Maccaroni remember him from Middlesbrough days was playing, he went elbows first back to the ball and jumped into Santalaab opposition striker will n the box. Real time the commentators said that's a pen, Santallab has blood pouring from his mouth and replays show it was a challenge with NO intent or idea where the ball was. Apparently it was reviewed, who decided nobody knows and deemed not an clear and obvious mistake, well may as well pack up then. Who or what decides this nobody can work out, this includes commentators,pundits. Cannot be the way forward for our game. It's a joke seriously.

 

[Blue Hefner]

It's a nice idea, but as the Juve/Torino derby fiasco recently showed, the system will still be at the mercy of the pig headed officials involved. In case you missed it, Juve scored, Torino objected because there had been a clear foul in the build up, the ref reviewed it on the VAR and, despite the aforementioned foul having been absolutely blatant, incredibly decided to uphold his original decision to give a goal. As we've also seen with the Lukaku 'kick in the cobblers' non-ban, the VAR will be a waste of time, because it will be open to ridiculous interpretation. Last minute at the Swamp, Aguero gets scythed down by De Gea in the box, and City play their appeal. Can you honestly see Madley, Taylor, Jones et al, awarding us a penalty on review? Not a chance

Might this explain why the decision was made? It wasn’t in the same attacking phase? I haven’t seen it by the way

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

Might this explain why the decision was made? It wasn’t in the same attacking phase? I haven’t seen it by the way

Three passes later the ball was in the net, so in my opinion it was the same phase of play. Depends on your definition I suppose......

 

[mat]

I await it helping Palace tomorrow night.

 

[BerkshireBlue]

Disagree its been a huge issue throughout every league its been trialled in and ive still not heard one way it can be solved.

Fine if you want var but dont act like it wont change the game in a very big way.

It will be intersting to see whether Seria A continue with it next season as the likes of Buffon, Inzaghi and other coaches have come out against it.

It's only just been introduced so obviously it will have a big initial impact this impact will reduce year on year whilst the rules are flexed around it.
I'm sure people complained about the offside rule back in 1863 that it affected the flow of the game. Every year since there have been tweaks to it to make it better suited to the game, VAR is in a similar position. We can either sit here and keep moaning about shit ref decisions or actually try to do something about it and make progress

Obviously Serie A teams have come out against it how else are they going to make sure the betting rings make their money. If there was one league that would be against it it's that one

 

[BerkshireBlue]

It's a nice idea, but as the Juve/Torino derby fiasco recently showed, the system will still be at the mercy of the pig headed officials involved. In case you missed it, Juve scored, Torino objected because there had been a clear foul in the build up, the ref reviewed it on the VAR and, despite the aforementioned foul having been absolutely blatant, incredibly decided to uphold his original decision to give a goal. As we've also seen with the Lukaku 'kick in the cobblers' non-ban, the VAR will be a waste of time, because it will be open to ridiculous interpretation. Last minute at the Swamp, Aguero gets scythed down by De Gea in the box, and City play their appeal. Can you honestly see Madley, Taylor, Jones et al, awarding us a penalty on review? Not a chance

And how many times has VAR worked perfectly in Serie A must be quite a lot now or are you just going to quoting the one negative result?

 

[Machiavelli]

If you watch on the tele you’ve already been watching VAR for years in the form of TV replays, most people after watching a replay can decide what the correct call should’ve been. The problem will arise with who interprets the decisions, like on BT when the ex refs come on and say pen or no pen, or the twats who couldn’t decide to ban Lakaku for his double kick. The ruling powers don’t want technology to come in and take away their power so they can continue to deliberately fuck things up for some teams and carry on ruling in the favour of other teams. That’s why they resisted goal line technology for years and years.

 

[greasedupdeafguy]

And how many times has VAR worked perfectly in Serie A must be quite a lot now or are you just going to quoting the one negative result?

I watch bundasliga and Serie A quite often and theres issues with it every week.

Thought James Richardson the person who used to host the European football show on BT Sport (who was initially for VAR) summed it up best, "if you view football as entertainment then VAR will be death".

They can trail and tweak it for as many years at they want but imo the free flowing nature of football will make it impossible to implement without it severely changing the nature of the game.

 

[greasedupdeafguy]

If you watch on the tele you’ve already been watching VAR for years in the form of TV replays, most people after watching a replay can decide what the correct call should’ve been. The problem will arise with who interprets the decisions, like on BT when the ex refs come on and say pen or no pen, or the twats who couldn’t decide to ban Lakaku for his double kick. The ruling powers don’t want technology to come in and take away their power so they can continue to deliberately fuck things up for some teams and carry on ruling in the favour of other teams. That’s why they resisted goal line technology for years and years.

That isn't the issue, fine use VAR to decide a penalty decision but what if a throw in was given the wrong way before the penalty decision. Do you bring the play back?

There are plenty more issue with it but thats the main one for me.

 

[Machiavelli]

That isn't the issue, fine use VAR to decide a penalty decision but what if a throw in was given the wrong way before the penalty decision. Do you bring the play back?

There are plenty more issue with it but thats the main one for me.

They shouldn’t have to stop the game for that, a message in the refs earpiece should do that in seconds. Players waste more time dicking about, going off slowly after being subbed and pretending to be injured all the time.

 

[BerkshireBlue]

It's a nice idea, but as the Juve/Torino derby fiasco recently showed, the system will still be at the mercy of the pig headed officials involved. In case you missed it, Juve scored, Torino objected because there had been a clear foul in the build up, the ref reviewed it on the VAR and, despite the aforementioned foul having been absolutely blatant, incredibly decided to uphold his original decision to give a goal. As we've also seen with the Lukaku 'kick in the cobblers' non-ban, the VAR will be a waste of time, because it will be open to ridiculous interpretation. Last minute at the Swamp, Aguero gets scythed down by De Gea in the box, and City play their appeal. Can you honestly see Madley, Taylor, Jones et al, awarding us a penalty on review? Not a chance

for the naysayers, apparently it's working great in Serie A and the Bundesliga there are loads of positive outcomes.

for example:
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ahead-but-var-ensures-they-draw-with-sassuolo

I suggest you all read this report and watch the video
http://www.espn.com/soccer/blog/esp...working-well-in-serie-a-bundesliga-mls-so-far


"Roberto Rosetti, the former referee heading the experiment in Serie A, says an average of three mistakes are being avoided every match day. Although there could be greater transparency, on the whole, it is changing things for the better. Players know they are being watched: The number of fouls is down from 260 to 203. Yellow and red cards have decreased and players have, for the most part, stopped protesting decisions because they know the tape never lies."

 

[greasedupdeafguy]

They shouldn’t have to stop the game for that, a message in the refs earpiece should do that in seconds. Players waste more time dicking about, going off slowly after being subbed and pretending to be injured all the time.

Think you misunderstood my point, its not the stopping of the game I have issues with (although waiting five minutes for a ref to review a decision isnt fun). Its the question of far back do you bring the play in relation to goals or penalty decisions etc, if a goal is scored but five minutes before a player was fouled do you cancel out the goal?

At the end of the day VAR wont make the game fair unless you review every single debatable decision as they all affect the outcome of the game. Why only single out certain decisions?

 

[greasedupdeafguy]

for the naysayers, apparently it's working great in Serie A and the Bundesliga there are loads of positive outcomes.

for example:
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ahead-but-var-ensures-they-draw-with-sassuolo

I suggest you all read this report and watch the video
http://www.espn.com/soccer/blog/esp...working-well-in-serie-a-bundesliga-mls-so-far


"Roberto Rosetti, the former referee heading the experiment in Serie A, says an average of three mistakes are being avoided every match day. Although there could be greater transparency, on the whole, it is changing things for the better. Players know they are being watched: The number of fouls is down from 260 to 203. Yellow and red cards have decreased and players have, for the most part, stopped protesting decisions because they know the tape never lies."

so why are german fans protesting against it?

 

[BerkshireBlue]

I watch bundasliga and Serie A quite often and theres issues with it every week.

Thought James Richardson the person who used to host the European football show on BT Sport (who was initially for VAR) summed it up best, "if you view football as entertainment then VAR will be death".

They can trail and tweak it for as many years at they want but imo the free flowing nature of football will make it impossible to implement without it severely changing the nature of the game.

Of course there are issues with it it's only been going for 5 months.
In Serie A alone:
3 mistakes are being corrected per match, fouls reduced, red cards reduced, yellow cards reduced, bad tackling reduced, player safety increased, protesting time reduced, VAR viewing time reduced. What more do you want?

 

[Machiavelli]

Think you misunderstood my point, its not the stopping of the game I have issues with (although waiting five minutes for a ref to review a decision isnt fun). Its the question of far back do you bring the play in relation to goals or penalty decisions etc, if a goal is scored but five minutes before a player was fouled do you cancel out the goal?

At the end of the day VAR wont make the game fair unless you review every single debatable decision as they all affect the outcome of the game. Why only single out certain decisions?

I think you’re getting ahead of yourself. Using it to rule out diving, penalties awarded incorrectly and mistaken identity would be a start and then take it from there. The fact incorrect decisions are still being made by referees would tell you something needs to be used to help get more things right. You sound like a “if it isn’t broke don’t fix it” type? But it is broke and it does need fixing. The problem will be the idiots interpreting the decisions so not much will change anyway.

 

[BerkshireBlue]

so why are german fans protesting against it?

because the guy running it was corrupt. He's been suspended now

 

[Machiavelli]

because the guy running it was corrupt. He's been suspended now

That will be the problem with it. All the tech used in other sports seem to be great in arriving at the correct decisions.

 

[greasedupdeafguy]

Of course there are issues with it it's only been going for 5 months.
In Serie A alone:
3 mistakes are being corrected per match, fouls reduced, red cards reduced, yellow cards reduced, bad tackling reduced, player safety increased, protesting time reduced, VAR viewing time reduced. What more do you want?

Im not denying it will help with a lot of decision it will just make football less entertaining to watch.

Plus it its such a success why do you players and managers coming out every week criticising it.