VAR thread 2022/23

[BlueHammer85]

Who gives a fuck about the Scottish leagues they are of no interest to 99% of fans in England ..The problem with VAR is they need to make it universal one var for all of the domestic leagues and European competitions and stick with one set of rules/laws of the game ..

It proves clubs that don't have VAR want it - including many in the English lower leagues.

worldwide more and more countries are implementing VAR and eventually will be the norm for every major country - It's why it's a bit pointless just ranting and saying 'get rid of it' - as it's unlikely not going to happen unless fans really protested away the computer screen

 

[deano ou812]

It proves clubs that don't have VAR want it - including many in the English lower leagues.

worldwide more and more countries are implementing VAR and eventually will be the norm for every major country - It's why it's a bit pointless just ranting and saying 'get rid of it' - as it's unlikely not going to happen unless fans really protested away the computer screen

I never said get rid,re read the post we need a universal VAR all the same rules/laws and interpretation in every league and competition and more transparency like the TMO in rugby WE all hear what’s going on no cloak and dagger..

 

[BlueHammer85]

I never said get rid,re read the post we need a universal VAR all the same rules/laws and interpretation in every league and competition and more transparency like the TMO in rugby WE all hear what’s going on no cloak and dagger..

I agree, but fear it will take many years to get to that point

 

[mosssideblue]

Also, (for example) what if fans are outraged over a handball given in the box

and we get to hear the officials - ref' I think the ball hit him on the hands, pretty sure it's intentional what do you think?'' VAR team ''we think so too''

thats it? how will that satisfy anyone that feels it's the wrong decision?

Through transparency (showing the incident on the big screens) and actually hearing what it is being scrutinised and why.

If fans could see the replay on the large screen and hear the conversation/justification between the officials, that would be 1000% better than what we have now.

 

[CPPSC]

Why? He can post about what the fuck he wants. If you want an echo chamber then Bluemoon isn’t for you I’m afraid.

Oh and I disagree with a lot @BlueHammer85 posts but he like everyone else is entitled to their viewpoint.

So am I

 

[mosssideblue]

I don’t think it’s comparable really. In cricket and rugby league, the video official is sat twiddling his thumbs and only comes into play when the on field ref/ umpire requests he looks at a specific incident. To then turn his mic on and let the viewers hear his thoughts as he reviews it with no time restraints isn’t really that big an ask.

In football their is a constant four way open line between the officials at the game, which the VAR is listening to. He then joins in making it potentially a five way conversation when he wants to get involved. I really don’t think there’s much to be gained by hearing that live. It couldn’t be on the normal channel anyway. It would have to be on a special button, like the silly fanzone thing used to be. Not sure how many people would be interested in the constant chatter. That’s before you get into things like privacy and the inevitable bad language the mics will pick up.

We only need to hear when VAR is engaged.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

So am I

Of course. No one is telling you to leave the forum though.

 

[Cassandra]

Whether it's a goal scoring opportunity.

I think we can agree that it is a foul, which should have been seen by the AR even if the holding was on the blind side of the referee. Would probably have been given in about 50% of cases without VAR depending on the viewing angle. The next decision is whether it is DOGSO. The guidelines for determining DOGSO are as follows:-

The following must be considered:

• distance between the offence and the goal - edge f penalty areas - meets criteria for DOGSO
• general direction of the play - the ball is travelling from around the centre of the field into the penalty area at about 45 degrees and would probably go out for a goal kick somewhere between the edge of the goal area and the edge of the penalty area - ? debatable whether or not this criteria has been met - in my view not an obvious error for VAR to overturn whichever way the decision is given.
• likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball - the Copenhagen player has not had control of the ball and since the ball is running away from him, it is probably 50:50 whether he would have been in a shooting position if he reached the ball before it went out of play.
• location and number of defenders - there are no covering defenders so in that sense the criteria is met but I'm not sure whether Ederson would have got to the ball first.

So it would seem that the decision to show the red card is not incorrect but equally the decision not to award a red card would not be incorrect either, it all boils down to opinion. Whether VAR was right to intervene because the foul was missed or whether it should have considered the whole situation in deciding to intervene is, I think, a mute point.

 

[Paladin]

Picking up a back-pass?

That's not handball.

 

[Paladin]

Who gives a fuck about the Scottish leagues they are of no interest to 99% of fans in England ..The problem with VAR is they need to make it universal one var for all of the domestic leagues and European competitions and stick with one set of rules/laws of the game ..

There is one universal set of rules (laws) with one common set of guidelines. This includes VAR. There are different interpretations throughout the different associations though.

For example, we often see different levels of tolerance for foul play depending on what country the referee comes from.

I'm not sure if the same level of VAR technology is required by each country. (For instance is Scotland allowed to buy last season's VAR technology from the English FA at a discount?)