VAR thread 2022/23

[stonerblue]

I was merely highlighting hyperbole from someone that regularly denounces hyperbole.

Hadn’t realised doing that now makes one a ‘dick’. I’ll note that for the future.

Seems a bit more like being pedantic over semantics.

 

[SebastianBlue]

I meant fifa as in the video game.

I knew what you meant, though, given all of the talk about various organisations, I can’t blame @BlueMoonAcrossThePond for not realising your meaning immediately.

I think you have a point, as there is an argument that we could get to the state where the sport is so sterilised and mechanised that it becomes difficult to justify it being played by humans (going toward your comment alluding to it might as well just be the video game version).

I don’t think we are anywhere near that yet, and we can avoid that with some smart policies and modifications.

And AI itself isn’t infallible, even implementations with the best intents; we have many examples of that just in the last few years.

But I do worry the governing bodies, in their endless quest for a product that can be perfectly controlled, monetised, and expanded, may not make the decisions that are best for the game (or the common fan experience). And certainly unlikely to do it for match going fans that constitute a fraction of revenue-generation of the modern game (despite being one of the main components to creating the spectacle that helps generate the revenue).

 

[SebastianBlue]

Seems a bit more like being pedantic over semantics.

That is definitely a fair criticism. And one the poster I was replying to is guilty of quite often, as well. Which was partly why I responded in the way I did.

I have absolutely no issue with people vigorously debating (or defending their stance). But I do have an issue with doing so via repeated, aggressive hypocrisy, to the point that they hijack threads.

Edit: Anyway, to get back on track, it’s obvious no one person can know whether or not everyone in a stadium (blue or red) is reacting to a goal being scored the same way they would have before the current iteration of VAR.

It’s all opinion unless we have a decently reliable survey of those fans for that moment (which we don’t) so let’s discuss the topic based on that understanding, rather than a false premise that we are debating from a position of “facts”.

 

[dronefromsector7G]

That is definitely a fair criticism. And one the poster I was replying to is guilty of quite often, as well. Which was partly why I responded in the way I did.

I have absolutely no issue with people vigorously debating (or defending their stance). But I do have an issue with doing so via repeated, aggressive hypocrisy, to the point that they hijack threads.

Edit: Anyway, to get back on track, it’s obvious no one person can know whether or not everyone in a stadium (blue or red) is reacting to a goal being scored the same way they would have before the current iteration of VAR.

It’s all opinion unless we have a decently reliable survey of those fans for that moment (which we don’t) so let’s discuss the topic based on that understanding, rather than a false premise that we are debating from a position of “facts”.

If you watch the celebrations in this video you don’t see many people who seem like they might be waiting on a VAR check.

*By posting this I am in no way saying I can read the minds of EVERY fan in the video

 

[SebastianBlue]

If you watch the celebrations in this video you don’t see many people who seem like they might be waiting on a VAR check.

*By posting this I am in no way saying I can read the minds of EVERY fan in the video

Yep, I would have gone mad, too, had I been there. And I did, here at home watching.

But I actually almost immediately turned to my missus and said “now to see if VAR can find some way to chalk it off”. The Foden goal against Liverpool had at once flooded in to my mind.

Now, I will freely admit I may not be representative of every fan (blue or otherwise), but I would wager a guess that there were at least a few in attendance on Saturday on both sides that had that in the back of their minds whilst reacting to the goal.

Whether that dampened the celebrations is down to each person (hence why I said we’d need a reliable survey of those in attendance).

It’s just my opinion that likely some may not have enjoyed the goal quite as much as they did prior to the current iteration of VAR, in the stadium or at home. But it is based on speaking with many fans of different clubs that have said they don’t celebrate quite the same way now.

Perhaps they are in the minority?

 

[BlueHammer85]

It is interesting when people say they don’t celebrate anymore when a goal goes in

Then you find crowds still go mental when a goal goes in and even again after a VAR check and it’s a goal (2 for the price of 1) unless it’s ruled out then it’s ‘fuck off VAR, your killing the game!’

 

[i kne albert davy]

Hard to see from the away end but Foden was away twice with what looked tight offside decisions both times flag instantly goes up before he had a chance to play the ball, over to Rashford who's clearly offside definitely moves towards the ball shock no flag until the ball is in the net.Don't really know why I'm surprised.

 

[bondsman]

It is interesting when people say they don’t celebrate anymore when a goal goes in

Then you find crowds still go mental when a goal goes in and even again after a VAR check and it’s a goal (2 for the price of 1) unless it’s ruled out then it’s ‘fuck off VAR, your killing the game!’

Weekend to weekend there’s an issue with VAR yet you continue to support it. Gallagher on VAR said today VAR couldn’t intervene in a decision he said was wrong. I ask you then if the fucking thing can’t be used to correct wrong decisions what’s it’s purpose?

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Weekend to weekend there’s an issue with VAR yet you continue to support it. Gallagher on VAR said today VAR couldn’t intervene in a decision he said was wrong. I ask you then if the fucking thing can’t be used to correct wrong decisions what’s it’s purpose?

Does anyone honestly think VAR wouldn't have overturned that decision in a heartbeat had it been given at the opposite end of the pitch?

 

[Fiftyyearsandcounting]

Read an article on some sport's website today which claimed using VAR for some FA Cup games but not for all, gave "An advantage to teams like Manchester City", (this was in reference to the handball in the Chelsea game).
Has no other PL team benefited from VAR in this competition?
Why just single out City
Surely not an advantage to us, more a disadvantage to lower league teams?